# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 774
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15463 "2019-10-16T14:36:00Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > The woman is not going to be on trial here, the legality of her holding the gun is not at issue. While it would be nice if it were true, that’s not how trials of police officers killing innocent people go. Just look at the case in neighboring Dallas where Amber Guyger flat out murdered an innocent man, where the cops got a search warrant to look through his apartment for narcotics but never even searched her house. Or look at this case where the police early on released a photo showing everything blurred but a handgun. I will bet good money that a large part of this trial will involve a discussion of just how threatening this black woman daring to play video games with her kids and defend him against a prowler peering in her window and shouting things at her is. > [@](#): > > At stake is how justified the cop was in shooting her, and if found he wasn’t, what the consequences are. I believe he will be found to have acted contra his training and established procedures. To me, the logical consequences of killing someone through gross incompetence or violation of procedure should lead to a conviction of the Texas equivalent of manslaughter. Let’s hope DA, grand jury and jury agree. Disagree completely. Using one’s authority as an agent of the state to murder someone should always bump the crime up to a much more severe level, and that’s what he did. When he gets the PD releasing images to make him look threatened and a cover-up attempt by the other cop who failed to arrest this murderer when he witnessed a straight up killing, and he’s opting to ignore established procedure and common sense in order to attack an innocent person in her own home, none of this ‘oh it was an accident’ nonsense should apply. If you go up to someone’s window, shout stuff at them, then shoot them 1.5 seconds later, this isn’t remotely like ‘oh there was a fight and things went too far’ or ‘oh I heard a strange noise and I was scared’. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15464 "2019-10-16T17:53:43Z")
A woman has won a $205,000 lawsuit against San Antonio after undergoing a vaginal search on the side of the street in full public view. > **[Woman allegedly subjected to vaginal search on side of road to settle lawsuit](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1067266)** > > Natalie Simms claimed San Antonio police were looking for drugs when a female officer searched her vagina and pulled out her tampon on a street curb. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15465 "2019-10-16T21:34:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman has won a $205,000 lawsuit against San Antonio after undergoing a vaginal search on the side of the street in full public view. > [Woman allegedly subjected to vaginal search on side of road to settle lawsuit](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1067266) Hey, what do you know, she’s black. I should go to Vegas, I’m so good with fully random odds. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15466 "2019-10-16T22:10:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman has won a $205,000 lawsuit against San Antonio after undergoing a vaginal search on the side of the street in full public view. > [Woman allegedly subjected to vaginal search on side of road to settle lawsuit](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1067266) 1. kinda fucked up that SHE (the innocent person) is identified, but the detective (molester and ongoing public threat) is not. 2. Her lawyer let her down, allowing this to settle for $205k. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15467 "2019-10-17T16:45:18Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > How did they know that she wasn’t a terrorist? Only Antifa and Muslims are terrorists. She was white and not wearing a black hoodie. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15468 "2019-10-17T17:11:24Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > 1. kinda fucked up that SHE (the innocent person) is identified, but the detective (molester and ongoing public threat) is not. > 2. Her lawyer let her down, allowing this to settle for $205k. $205,000 is a lot of cabbage, and I imagine her lawyer must be more savvy about the likelihood of winning more in the State of Texas than we are, especially when in this case the city of San Antonio is just deciding to write the check, rather than continuing a possibly long and expensive court battle. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15469 "2019-10-17T18:56:15Z")
Pushing a suspect of a roof: 8 _hour_ suspension. In other words, the officer gave up a vacation day. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/17/kissimmee-police-roof-teenager-suspended-eight-hours/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/17/kissimmee-police-roof-teenager-suspended-eight-hours/) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15470 "2019-10-18T00:58:08Z")
Orange County cop put on administrative leave after pulling a gun on a teenager at a skate park after an argument over loud music. The cop was not in uniform and was off duty, and threatened to shoot the kid in the “fucking face”. > **['I'll Shoot You In The F---king Face': Off-Duty Deputy Allegedly Pulls Gun On...](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/off-duty-officer-pulls-gun-teen-san-clemente-skate-park/)** > > An Orange County sheriff's deputy is on administrative leave after allegedly pulling a gun on a teen at a San Clemente skatepark. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15471 "2019-10-18T01:06:08Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Orange County cop put on administrative leave after pulling a gun on a teenager at a skate park after an argument over loud music. The cop was not in uniform and was off duty, and threatened to shoot the kid in the “fucking face”. > ['I'll Shoot You In The F---king Face': Off-Duty Deputy Allegedly Pulls Gun On Teen At San Clemente Skate Park - CBS Los Angeles](https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/10/16/off-duty-officer-pulls-gun-teen-san-clemente-skate-park/) I bet this is why pro-gun people in California are so concerned about public carrying of weapons, so they can defend citizens against this type of government tyranny. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15472 "2019-10-18T01:24:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I bet this is why pro-gun people in California are so concerned about public carrying of weapons, so they can defend citizens against this type of government tyranny. Right? Yeah, why not. Or are you in favor of only the cops having guns, since they are always judicious and fair? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15473 "2019-10-18T01:28:13Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > Yeah, why not. Or are you in favor of only the cops having guns, since they are always judicious and fair? If only cops had guns, what situations do you think would be different in America? Nobody now can use a gun to defend themselves against a cop, so what difference does having a gun make when it comes to the police? ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15474 "2019-10-18T12:50:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Orange County cop put on administrative leave after pulling a gun on a teenager at a skate park Administrative leave, how exactly does it differ from paid time off? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15475 "2019-10-18T12:59:02Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Administrative leave, how exactly does it differ from paid time off? AIUI, Administrative leave is time off that is not charged to your personal leave accrual. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15476 "2019-10-18T13:20:03Z")
[Arizona. White cop. Black driver. Traffic stop.](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/09/27/la-paz-county-deputy-stops-black-man-who-hung-air-freshener-on-mirror/3779171002/) Rather than describe it, I’m going to leave you to read through it and/or watch the video yourself, because it’s the length of the stop, and the incessant litany of questions, over something that probably isn’t even an infraction, that makes this so shitty. At least no-one was hurt, but it demonstrates the unreasonable and belligerent nature of some police officers. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15477 "2019-10-18T15:30:42Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > At least no-one was hurt, but it demonstrates the unreasonable and belligerent nature of some police officers. If we take the officer at his word that he wasn’t profiling him (and it seems reasonable for at least the initial stop if he couldn’t tell from behind, less so for after the litany of questions started) - he’s an asshole who shouldn’t be cop. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15478 "2019-10-18T16:38:59Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > If we take the officer at his word that he wasn’t profiling him (and it seems reasonable for at least the initial stop if he couldn’t tell from behind, less so for after the litany of questions started) - he’s an asshole who shouldn’t be cop. Lots and lots of those around. He’s not much of an anomaly. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15479 "2019-10-18T18:16:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > AIUI, Administrative leave is time off that is not charged to your personal leave accrual. :: golf clap :: ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15480 "2019-10-18T18:26:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > $205,000 is a lot of cabbage, and I imagine her lawyer must be more savvy about the likelihood of winning more in the State of Texas than we are, especially when in this case the city of San Antonio is just deciding to write the check, rather than continuing a possibly long and expensive court battle. Balls…looks like TX has a cap on punitive damages vs. government of $250k. I’m not sure if that stacks on normal personal injury general damages or not. So that number might not have gotten any better. Still, it’s not really about the money. Sexual assault charges in Texas carry 2-20 years. I wonder how tough the sentence was against the cop doing the molesting. Disregard the constabulary. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15481 "2019-10-18T18:28:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman has won a $205,000 lawsuit against San Antonio after undergoing a vaginal search on the side of the street in full public view. > [Woman allegedly subjected to vaginal search on side of road to settle lawsuit](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1067266) Nitpick: she didn’t win a lawsuit. The parties settled for $205,000.00. > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > 1. kinda fucked up that SHE (the innocent person) is identified, but the detective (molester and ongoing public threat) is not. > 2. Her lawyer let her down, allowing this to settle for $205k. I’m not a Texas lawyer, but it looks like Texas’ sovereign immunity cap for municipalities (basically, the amount that a city can be sued for) is $250,000.00, so a trial wouldn’t have earned her much more. ETA: ninja’d. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15482 "2019-10-18T21:56:17Z")
Too bad she couldn’t sue to have the officer have to register as a sex offender. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=773) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=775)