# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 776
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15503 "2019-10-24T14:41:52Z")
[Officer shot his neighbor, DA says, then waited to call 911 — and lied about what happened](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officer-shot-his-neighbor-da-says-then-waited-to-call-911-and-lied-about-what-happened/ar-AAJgofL?li=BBnbfcL) New York’s Finest. > [@](#): > > Prosecutors say Yeboah did not initially try to help Afoakwah. Instead, they say he left the apartment to change his shoes and waited in the lobby of the building until first responders arrived, rather than performing first aid. The indictment alleges Yeboah did not call 911 until the victim’s father urged him to. Looks a lot like he accidentally shot his friend and thought it was better to let him die then fess up. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15504 "2019-10-24T19:25:28Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > According to the CBP, this was all perfectly legal because the normal due process rights afforded to all Americans are suspended at the border, regardless of whether there was an intention to cross. Huh. Guess I missed that part of the Bill of Rights. “These rights shall not exist within 1000 feet of any border with a foreign nation or airport.” ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15505 "2019-10-25T02:43:59Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Huh. Guess I missed that part of the Bill of Rights. > > “These rights shall not exist within 1000 feet of any border with a foreign nation or airport.” 1000 feet? More like [528,000 feet](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15506 "2019-10-25T04:46:32Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > [US citizen enters into the bizarre, Kafkaesque world of no rights at the US border because he was trying to pay a customs fee](https://theintercept.com/2019/10/23/customs-border-searches-civil-liberties/). Second sentence in the article: > [@](#): > > A box of celebratory gifts — clothing and perfume from family in the Middle East — arrived at Buffalo Niagara International Airport customs. A bit further down: > [@](#): > > The incident (…) also calls into question whether the man, who is Muslim, was singled out because of his faith. Call me paranoid, but I suspect they didn’t care whether he was Muslim, Orthodox, Coptic, Unitarian or a 6th-generation atheist. Note that the 10-mile zone includes any possible point of entry, so not only land borders but also airports and, depending on who has the more expensive lawyer, the whole coast. That’s a damn big chunk of territory; in fact, wouldn’t lots of small, inhabited islands be within that zone? ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15507 "2019-10-25T07:30:04Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Note that the 10-mile zone includes any possible point of entry, so not only land borders but also airports and, depending on who has the more expensive lawyer, the whole coast. That’s a damn big chunk of territory; in fact, wouldn’t lots of small, inhabited islands be within that zone? Not a 10 mile zone, a [100 mile zone](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone) that includes 65% of all Americans. [Greyhound busses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-patrol-searches-have-increased-greyhound-other-buses-far-border-n1012596) in Maine and New Hampshire driving purely domestic routes are being raided by CBP and anyone who “looked like they could be an immigrant” were asked for document checks. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15508 "2019-10-25T11:16:39Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Not a 10 mile zone, a [100 mile zone](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone) that includes 65% of all Americans. > > [Greyhound busses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-patrol-searches-have-increased-greyhound-other-buses-far-border-n1012596) in Maine and New Hampshire driving purely domestic routes are being raided by CBP and anyone who “looked like they could be an immigrant” were asked for document checks. Hell, it includes the entirety of the state of Florida. The entire state. That is utterly ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15509 "2019-10-25T14:44:22Z")
Not sure this is posted anywhere else, but a cop shot a teen fleeing because he was reaching for his waistband. This happened back in 2017 and was ruled a justified shooting. Video has now been released. Yeah, he was reaching for his waistband…to pull up his pants…as he ran away. Yet another cold-blooded execution at the hands of a cop. > **[Shooting an unarmed teen in the back of the head was justified, police said....](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/)** > > Isiah Murrietta-Golding "was running away, holding up his pants, posing no threat to anybody,” an attorney said. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15510 "2019-10-25T15:20:10Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Not sure this is posted anywhere else, but a cop shot a teen fleeing because he was reaching for his waistband. This happened back in 2017 and was ruled a justified shooting. Video has now been released. Yeah, he was reaching for his waistband…to pull up his pants…as he ran away. Yet another cold-blooded execution at the hands of a cop. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/24/shooting-an-unarmed-teen-back-head-was-justified-police-said-then-video-emerged/) I don’t understand the withholding of the video. The police had to know what it showed. And if they did, why the hell would they give it to the lawyer? I mean, I’m glad they did, but it doesn’t make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15511 "2019-10-25T15:35:42Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Not a 10 mile zone, a [100 mile zone](https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone) that includes 65% of all Americans. > > [Greyhound busses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-patrol-searches-have-increased-greyhound-other-buses-far-border-n1012596) in Maine and New Hampshire driving purely domestic routes are being raided by CBP and anyone who “looked like they could be an immigrant” were asked for document checks. This is something everyone should be writing their congressman about. Border patrol should be patrolling the border, not miles or a freakin’ hundred miles from it! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15512 "2019-10-25T16:03:53Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > This is something everyone should be writing their congressman about. Border patrol should be patrolling the border, not miles or a freakin’ hundred miles from it! Spokane, WA is about 90 miles from the Canadian border. Border patrol has caused issues at the bus station: > **[Mexican national files federal lawsuit against Border Patrol following...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/jun/25/mexican-national-files-federal-lawsuit-against-bor/)** > > Andres Sosa Segura, 37, has filed a federal lawsuit in Spokane alleging false arrest and imprisonment during an incident at the Spokane Intermodal Center in July 2017. Sosa alleges he was profiled and threatened with deportation during a warrantless... Spokane is a white city. This is just a case of “you don’t look like you’re from around these parts”. What border do you think Andres Sosa Segura might’ve crossed? The northern border? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15513 "2019-10-25T16:58:01Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > This is something everyone should be writing their congressman about. Border patrol should be patrolling the border, not miles or a freakin’ hundred miles from it! The underlying idea makes sense. Suppose you have a section of border in wilderness that’s difficult to access; say, the right angle of the US-Mexico border east of Antelope Wells, or any number of spots around northeastern Minnesota/Ontario. Having CBP back off and protect the border from someplace more accessible, where border-crosses would inevitably have to go, is logical - and if held to only logical places, would not infringe on civil rights. The problem is it’s NOT being held to only logical places. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15514 "2019-10-30T19:31:48Z")
Police were called when a California man with mental health issues, crying out for help, doused himself in flammable liquid and refused to drop a lighter that he was holding. The responding officer’s solution? Hit him with a stun gun. [Nice going, genius!](https://www.redding.com/story/news/local/2019/10/23/siskiyou-county-family-weed-man-burned-police-stun-gun-fire-speaks-out-mental-health-training/4058122002/) The stun gun ignited the liquid, ensuring the very outcome that the police were called to prevent, and the man is now in hospital with burns to 70 percent of his body. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15515 "2019-10-30T19:33:57Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Police were called when a California man with mental health issues, crying out for help, doused himself in flammable liquid and refused to drop a lighter that he was holding. > > The responding officer’s solution? Hit him with a stun gun. > > [Nice going, genius!](https://www.redding.com/story/news/local/2019/10/23/siskiyou-county-family-weed-man-burned-police-stun-gun-fire-speaks-out-mental-health-training/4058122002/) The stun gun ignited the liquid, ensuring the very outcome that the police were called to prevent, and the man is now in hospital with burns to 70 percent of his body. Yes, but it was LESS lethal force. See? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15516 "2019-10-30T20:02:15Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Yes, but it was LESS lethal force. See? The officer is being investigated for excessive use of force because, unfortunately, there are no laws on the books concerning excessive use of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15517 "2019-10-30T21:03:36Z")
OCTOBER 30, 2019 Somebody who works for the California Department of Corrections thought it would be appropriate to hang a Nazi flag in their office window where it could be seen by the passing public. > **[Nazi flag in Sacramento office prompts investigation at California...](https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article236820648.html)** > > The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation employee who hung a Nazi flag in a state office in downtown Sacramento showed a serious lack of judgment but isn’t a white supremacist, according to the department. The department says the person is a Person of Color who is not a white supremacist, but just showed bad judgement ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15518 "2019-10-31T02:35:12Z")
Guy steals wallet and belt from Walmart. Police pursue and cause 100s of thousands of dollars of damage to an innocent bystander’s home. Apparently, it’s in bad form to let your gear go to waste when a store could be out… $50? Maybe? (it’s Walmart - so I’m guessing it’s not that much money) The grenades could pass their “use by” date. They offer the homeowner (who had nothing to do with anything other than choosing to live somewhat close to a Walmart) $5K. [Court says “yes, sucks to be you.”](https://www.gq.com/story/police-explode-innocent-mans-home) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15519 "2019-10-31T03:38:35Z")
The land of the free, and the [del]home[/del] . . . scratch that – the home was blown up for free. What a shithole country. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15520 "2019-10-31T12:37:12Z")
G4S spread security guards and guns around world. Then came violence > **[A security empire deployed guards with violent pasts across the U.S. Some...](https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/10/30/dangerous-guards-low-cost-security-g-4-s/3994676002/)** > > G4S, the largest private security company in the world, sells armed guards as a high-quality, low-cost alternative to police. This is the price. Amazing that we pay people as low as $9.25 per hour and give them a gun. WTF?!? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15521 "2019-10-31T12:45:56Z")
I’ve never, nor will I ever, understand how companies that hire a contractor to perform services stick up for that contractor? I’ve seen it up and down the government spectrum and now with commercial companies. I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15522 "2019-10-31T12:46:41Z")
So the police have zero accountability. For anything it seems. Wow. It really is a racket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=775) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=777)