# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 778
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15543 "2019-11-16T18:51:07Z")
This particular piece of shit should be fired, arrested, locked up, and have his sorry ass stomped every day for the rest of his life… > **[Sheriff's deputy tackles a 15-year old quadruple amputee and screams in his face](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/15/1899815/-Sheriff-s-deputy-tackles-a-15-year-old-quadruple-amputee-and-screams-in-his-face?utm_campaign=recent)** > > Well, these are the times we live in: we have to pause for a moment to be thankful that nobody was killed in this latest instance of police violence. Still, that’s small comfort in this appalling incident. Staff at a group home for teenagers in... > [@](#): > > Sheriff’s deputy tackles a 15-year old quadruple amputee and screams in his face > > Staff at a group home for teenagers in Tucson, Arizona, called 911 after one young person knocked over a trash can and began yelling. I’m still trying to figure out why staff couldn’t handle the situation themselves: the boy in question is a quadruple amputee, which I think would dramatically limit his ability to endanger anyone. > > Anyway, when sheriff’s deputies arrived, one of them apparently thought that a 15-year old without arms or legs posed such an imminent threat that he needed to be bodily assaulted and pinned to the floor. Then, to ensure that the quadruple amputee would “respect his authoritah” he proceeded to yell and scream in his face, because of course that’s what anyone would normally do with a severely disabled person who didn’t obsequiously comply with one’s every wish, right? > > Of course, this scene wouldn’t be complete without some gratuitous power-tripping against bystanders as well. Apparently, Tucson deputies are under the assumption that they have the final word on the law and the Constitution so they can ignore court rulings upholding the right of citizens to film police activities. That explains why they handcuffed another teen who was filming the incident, without interfering, and gratuitously slammed his head against the wall after he was already cuffed … and then arrested both boys for disorderly conduct. Watch the damn video. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/11jrByA6m0c/maxresdefault.jpg "Tuscon Cop Under Investigation After Wrestling Teenage Quadruple Amputee To The Ground") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11jrByA6m0c) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15544 "2019-11-16T18:52:27Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > No arms, no legs, no parents, and he has to deal with Officer Friendly. ☹ You beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15545 "2019-11-16T20:00:02Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Disturbing video shows police officer tackling a 15-year-old who has no arms or legs](https://www.theblaze.com/news/disturbing-video-shows-police-officer-tackling-a-15-year-old-who-has-no-arms-or-legs) > > Because. Umm. Reasons! He also arrested the kid recording it. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15546 "2019-11-16T20:08:28Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This particular piece of shit should be fired, arrested, locked up, and have his sorry ass stomped every day for the rest of his life… > > [Sheriff's deputy tackles a 15-year old quadruple amputee and screams in his face](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/15/1899815/-Sheriff-s-deputy-tackles-a-15-year-old-quadruple-amputee-and-screams-in-his-face?utm_campaign=recent) > > Watch the damn video. > > [https://youtu.be/11jrByA6m0c](https://youtu.be/11jrByA6m0c) Fuck these vile pieces of shit with a badge. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15547 "2019-11-16T21:01:34Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > As fucked up as the situation is, I don’t know if a murder charge is appropriate… The charging was just for show. The charges will eventually be dropped; killer will get extra paid vacation and a reprimand. (The mantra “I was afraid” absolves any police guilt.) But shouldn’t this whole story be in the Positive Gun News thread? As example of the perils of NOT being properly armed? Victim should have had an AR-15 ready and willingness to use it. (She’d have ended up dead anyway, but at least taken out some of her opposition.) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15548 "2019-11-17T19:11:48Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So the police have zero accountability. For anything it seems. Wow. It really is a racket. Yeah, no shit. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15549 "2019-11-19T23:31:38Z")
[Shopping while Black is suspicious](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-cop-fired-after-stopping-black-customers-for-acting-suspicious/ar-BBX0toW) > [@](#): > > The responding officer spoke with the two men who questioned why Jones ran their plates without just cause. The officer told the pair: “Not necessarily. We can run plates for any reason or no reason at all. What he does have to have is he has to have what’s called reasonable suspicion in order to make a stop. He has to have some sort of reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed.” ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15550 "2019-11-20T00:02:02Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Shopping while Black is suspicious](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-cop-fired-after-stopping-black-customers-for-acting-suspicious/ar-BBX0toW) On the plus side, the responding officer (the Indianapolis Metro cop in your quote) who showed up when the asshole constable called for backup apparently told him to back off and go away, then stayed to explain it to the two guys being harassed. Maybe I’m being overly charitable toward him because he deescalated the situation, but I think you can read that quote as explaining both why it was legal to run their plates _and_ why the other cop had no legal grounds to stop them. Even better, the Chief Constable fired the guy “within two hours of viewing [the video]”. So, it still sucks that there was a racist asshole cop harassing people, but at least two other cops actually did something to stop him. That’s better than I’ve come to expect. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15551 "2019-11-20T00:41:42Z")
> [@](#): > > What he does have to have is he has to have what’s called reasonable suspicion in order to make a stop. That cop needs to be prosecuted for aggravated assault against grammar. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15552 "2019-11-20T01:32:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You know what isn’t normal human behaviour? Following someone around the internet, calling them a liar, and insulting them. Especially when the things you call lies are either deliberate misinterpretations of what I’ve said (as in this case), actually true or at worst debatable, or often both of the above. > > Firstly, it’s not bullshit, any noise loud enough to vibrate a car from a few feet away is enough to damage hearing. And secondly, neither Dunn nor I have claimed that music would be enough to justify any form of physical interaction. > > What is allowable is defending yourself against threats of imminent violence, which is what Dunn claimed the antisocial, argumentative guy in the car was doing. That Davis’s behaviour escalated to threatening is hardly impossible to believe, despite what you say. > > What does shooting at them have to do with his honesty? He didn’t lie about doing that. And to say, as you are, that because he’s guilty of one crime, he must be guilty of another, separate crime is hugely unjust. Not surprising from you, as you seem to have no concept of justice, rather thinking that you know everything and that the vengeance you call for us necessarily right. > > Regardless of anything else, Davis’s behaviour to Dunn was indefensible. His death doesn’t change that, and even if Dunn did murder him, it doesn’t change that. > > \*\*But hey, you keep on assuming that people who report being victims of crime are liars. \*\*Maybe you could go work for Trump, or somewhere in Hollywood. They’ll be looking for people who can argue that point as tenaciously as you. Your tedious and inaccurate characterisation of those you disagree with as liars, instead of refuting their arguments, is also remarkably Trumpian. Perhaps you should make a bit more effort not to remind one so much of a sad, pathetic, barely literate, self-important buffoon. Bolding mine, for the breathtaking hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15553 "2019-11-20T02:07:20Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Bolding mine, for the breathtaking hypocrisy. Jeez. I thought we were DONE with that son of a bitch asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15554 "2019-11-20T03:04:45Z")
Really kind of minor compared to being beaten or shot. [Cops put GPS tracker on man’s car, charge him with theft for removing it](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/man-charged-with-theft-for-removing-police-gps-tracker-from-his-car/) > [@](#): > > The case began in July 2018, when the Warrick County Sheriff’s Office got a warrant to attach a GPS tracking device to Derek Heuring’s car. Information from a confidential informant had led them to believe that Heuring was using the vehicle to sell meth. > > The GPS device transmitted data for a little more than a week. Then it stopped. Officers suspected Heuring had discovered and removed it. > > After waiting another 10 days to see if it would start working again, detectives applied for a warrant to search Heuring’s home and a nearby property belonging to Heuring’s parents. US law requires law enforcement to show probable cause that a crime had been committed before engaging in a search. In this case, police said they suspected that Heuring had committed the crime of theft by taking the GPS device. > > Police did find the tracking device. They also found methamphatamine [sic] and drug paraphernalia—evidence that police say show that Heuring had been dealing drugs. > > So Heuring was charged both with drug dealing and with theft of the GPS device. So, IMHO, it looks like a meth dealer is going to walk because the sheriff’s dept was okay with trying to make their own rules. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15555 "2019-11-20T14:31:11Z")
It seems to me that the police GAVE him the tracker. They placed it on his car. If someone places something in or on my car expecting me to drive away with it, that is a gift. The charge of theft is ludicrous. The search should definitely be ruled as illegal. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15556 "2019-11-21T02:17:25Z")
I hope that the Indiana Supreme Court tells the cops to take a hike regarding the theft charge for the GPS device. It certainly sounded like the judges were leaning that way in the oral arguments. In other news, Philadelphia Eagles player Malcolm Jenkins wrote a[carefully considered op-ed](https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/malcolm-jenkins-philadelphia-next-police-commissioner-20191118.html) about policing in the city, and about some of the reforms that his organization, the Players Coalition Task Force, believes are necessary. Here’s the [response](https://twitter.com/FOPLodge5/status/1196840874707173376) from the Philly police union: > [@](#): > > Every time I think that the Inquirer cannot sink any lower in integrity and > professionalism, they prove me wrong. They go lower still. > > Sponsoring a racist attack by a non-resident washed up football player and trying > to disguise it as a commentary on police in Philadelphia shows why the only people who > still subscribe to your paper are those who use it to paper train their puppies. > > Hurling slurs and false allegations against police offers nothing in the way of > improvement. Like other has been football players, they now do most of their running > with their mouths. > > This character’s “proposals” would leave Philadelphia’s many crime victims as > defenseless as his poor play has left his football team. > > Only the Inquirer would offer Malcolm Jenkins to tackle crime, when he can’t even > manage to tackle his own opponents. > > What is the Inquirer’s next plan, a survey of drug dealers? Stay classy, Philly Fraternal Order of Police! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15557 "2019-11-21T02:28:47Z")
And that is why “It’s only a few bad apples” is a moronic response to police brutality. What’s wrong with “We want all citizens to be safe. We will work to ensure that all citizens are”? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15558 "2019-11-21T02:35:25Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > And that is why “It’s only a few bad apples” is a moronic response to police brutality. It’s a lie they are comfortable telling, tho. > [@Slash1972](#): > > What’s wrong with “We want all citizens to be safe. We will work to ensure that all citizens are”? There are fewer of them that are comfortable telling _that_ lie, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15559 "2019-11-21T02:40:49Z")
It just seems like the police are the only organization that, when the people they are serving complain about their methods, just say “Fuck you guys, we’ll do what we want”. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15560 "2019-11-21T15:31:54Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I hope that the Indiana Supreme Court tells the cops to take a hike regarding the theft charge for the GPS device. It certainly sounded like the judges were leaning that way in the oral arguments. > > In other news, Philadelphia Eagles player Malcolm Jenkins wrote a[carefully considered op-ed](https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/malcolm-jenkins-philadelphia-next-police-commissioner-20191118.html) about policing in the city, and about some of the reforms that his organization, the Players Coalition Task Force, believes are necessary. > > Here’s the [response](https://twitter.com/FOPLodge5/status/1196840874707173376) from the Philly police union:Stay classy, Philly Fraternal Order of Police! Great example of ad hominem, though. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15561 "2019-11-23T18:23:09Z")
Off duty cop drives 94 mph (almost twice the speed limit); causes crash which kills baby. What do you think happens? Manslaughter charge? Cop fired? Or just a speeding ticket? [spoiler]You’re right: None of the above. [https://www.theadvocate.com/baton\_rouge/news/crime\_police/article\_cbadc298-0580-11ea-892c-ebb518e96af5.html[/spoiler]](https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_cbadc298-0580-11ea-892c-ebb518e96af5.html%5B/spoiler%5D) ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15562 "2019-11-23T18:47:06Z")
^^ The DA makes it sound like the two offenses were equal, and pointedly highlights the speeding offense. The off-duty cop’s main offense was causing an accident while speeding, not simple speeding. Yes, the infant should have been restrained, but the cause of the death was the crash caused by the cop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=777) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=779)