# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 781
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15603 "2019-12-06T17:40:29Z")
Oh, as an addendum, AIUI, FBI has a spokesman talking with the media about this. Robbery, even jewel robbery, is not normally an FBI case. So what’re they doing there? Why was the FBI involved to begin with? Was this meant to be a larger case, with the robbers under surveillance before they even robbed that store? If so, why was the robbery allowed to proceed, and for the love of God, how were the robbers able to escape? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15604 "2019-12-06T17:52:47Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > So, UPS can track their trucks, and they even let you track your delivery in real time as it’s being driven on the truck with a simple phone app, but Miami police felt they had to assault this vehicle while it was stuck in slow or stalled traffic and surrounded by vehicles occupied by civilians because otherwise the bad guys might get away? > > Insanely irresponsible. Well, they had to stop these guys. Otherwise, innocents might have died! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15605 "2019-12-06T20:41:13Z")
8 year old girl is strip searched by prison correctional officers before they allowed her to see her father in prison. They did not have the permission of her legal guardian. [https://www.pilotonline.com/government/virginia/vp-nw-strip-search-20191206-wd2ejtrtqfgbvkbj7xzh7btemu-story.html](https://www.pilotonline.com/government/virginia/vp-nw-strip-search-20191206-wd2ejtrtqfgbvkbj7xzh7btemu-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15606 "2019-12-11T20:53:07Z")
Bad Cops from a Bygone Era [Henry Lee Lucas: The Confession Killer.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_Lucas) Watched several episodes of the Netflix documentary last night. The whole ordeal boggles the mind. :mad::mad::mad: The Texas Rangers get a half-witted hick to start confessing to murders. He keeps on confessing to more and more murders. Now, once his confessed murders got into _triple digits_:eek:, a thinking human would stop and ask _‘Hey, maybe this guy isn’t credible?’_ Not in Texas. Or other jurisdictions around the country. They were lining up around the block to get this guy to confess to one or more of their unsolved murders. Did not seem to matter to them that to make all the murder scenes, he would have to drive non-stop for days. > [@](#): > > in October 1978 alone, he would have had to drive 11,000 miles in order to carry out eight separate murders. It did not matter that family members of one of the victims say his confession was factually wrong. That the murder could not have occurred as he wrote it out. When these family members investigated on their own, and found that Henry Lee Lucas was in another state when the murder occurred, the Texas Sheriff stood by their guy. They never searched for any records on Lucas to verify his whereabouts. Turns out they were not that hard to find. A Dallas detective, suspicious as a cop \*should \*be, got him to confess to an unsolved murder in Dallas. Then she revealed to Sheriff Boutwell that she had made it up. The murder did not happen and the person did not exist. Sheriff Boutwell was unphased. Lucas ended up confessing to over 600 murders. And Sheriff Boutwell and his cohorts believe it all, even though their was no physical evidence linking Lucas. In any of them. > [@](#): > > The task force officially “cleared” 213 previously unsolved murders as a result of the confessions. Lucas received preferential treatment rarely offered to convicts, being frequently taken to restaurants and cafes for his participation. He was rarely handcuffed, often allowed to wander police stations and jails at will, and even knew codes for security doors.[15][13] This says it all. If you believe you have a man in your custody that killed _hundreds_ of people, you would not let him have codes to security doors. You would not wander the halls of the jail without handcuffs, you would not turn your back on him. _“Yeah, old Henry, he kills without a thought, and human life means nothing to him, and he has killed hundreds, but he’s docile enough now and we don’t really need any security for him…”_ > [@](#): > > DNA evidence has verified that Lucas did not kill twenty of his supposed victims I wonder how many cases had DNA samples to test? I suspect it was around ‘20’. They knew Lucas was full of shit. Most of us grown up with a belief that Law Enforcement Officers are ethical and professional, and are public servants. I miss having that belief. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15607 "2019-12-14T22:44:50Z")
Not really seeing what set him off. > **[Video shows North Carolina deputy picking up, slamming child to floor](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-north-carolina-sheriff-s-deputy-violently-slamming-child-n1102191?cid=public-rss_20191214)** > > Footage of the Vance County Middle School resource officer's action "stunned" and "shocked" the county sheriff. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15608 "2019-12-15T03:49:09Z")
The child said “I bet you aren’t strong enough to pick me up and body slam me.” Then he said, “Bet you can’t do it twice.” ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15609 "2019-12-15T04:46:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [https://twitter.com/jlegewie/status/1202331879615193088](https://twitter.com/jlegewie/status/1202331879615193088) > > “…in utero exposure to police killings of unarmed Blacks within 1-3 km of mother’s residence substantially reduces the birth weight of Black infants by 50-80g” > > and > > “…no effect for police killings of armed Black or white and Hispanic victims on infant health suggesting that stress and anxiety related to perceived injustice and discrimination might explain this finding” > > This data supports a hypothesis I’ve suggested for a long time – broad societal injustice against black people, even if it’s just in the “background”, decreases the chances for black people to thrive. In other words, being black in America is harmful to one’s health. People say soldiers get PTSD from war, but what if you’re in a war and only the other side gets the guns and you never know when you’ll be attacked? Racists like to argue that black people aren’t human, but that seems like an inadvertent confession on their part. They denigrate people so they can feel good about treating those people badly. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15610 "2019-12-15T06:10:13Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Not really seeing what set him off. > > [Video shows North Carolina sheriff's deputy violently slamming child to floor, twice](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-north-carolina-sheriff-s-deputy-violently-slamming-child-n1102191?cid=public-rss_20191214) Jesus Christ. I wasn’t prepared for how horrible that video is. That child looks like a goddamn rag doll. The kid was a step and a half away from the school goon, apparently walking calmly, or at least not in a threatening manner. Maybe the kid mouthed off, but there’s nothing the kid could have said that would justify a grown-ass adult cop slamming him to the floor like that. Fucking twice! ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15611 "2019-12-15T16:34:55Z")
This is via Twitter, and I don’t have a mainstream media source, but it looks pretty clear. Seattle cops are riding their bikes on the sidewalk, run into some guy from behind, then violently arrest the guy they ran into. [https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19](https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19) Also, a few days before that, Seattle cops are pushing a crowd back, using their bikes as barriers. Crowd seems to be complying. One cop trips over his own bike. Cops all start to flip out and attack the crowd. [https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19](https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19) Ya know, I’m beginning to think most of our cops are just skittish, heavily armed thugs. How many times did shit like this happen before everyone was walking around with cameras in their pockets? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15612 "2019-12-15T16:40:57Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > This is via Twitter, and I don’t have a mainstream media source, but it looks pretty clear. Seattle cops are riding their bikes on the sidewalk, run into some guy from behind, then violently arrest the guy they ran into. [https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19](https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19) > > Also, a few days before that, Seattle cops are pushing a crowd back, using their bikes as barriers. Crowd seems to be complying. One cop trips over his own bike. Cops all start to flip out and attack the crowd. [https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19](https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19) > > Ya know, I’m beginning to think most of our cops are just skittish, heavily armed thugs. How many times did shit like this happen before everyone was walking around with cameras in their pockets? And they HATE when anyone records a video that proves them to be fucking liars. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15613 "2019-12-15T17:07:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And they HATE when anyone records a video that proves them to be fucking liars. Something I just thought of. The cops don’t want to wear body cameras, so maybe everyone else should. ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15614 "2019-12-15T17:19:17Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > This is via Twitter, and I don’t have a mainstream media source, but it looks pretty clear. Seattle cops are riding their bikes on the sidewalk, run into some guy from behind, then violently arrest the guy they ran into. [https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19](https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/1206051263282130944?s=19) > > Also, a few days before that, Seattle cops are pushing a crowd back, using their bikes as barriers. Crowd seems to be complying. One cop trips over his own bike. Cops all start to flip out and attack the crowd. [https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19](https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1203883493224116225?s=19) > > Ya know, I’m beginning to think most of our cops are just skittish, heavily armed thugs. How many times did shit like this happen before everyone was walking around with cameras in their pockets? I just saw these videos. This shit fucking sickens me. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15615 "2019-12-15T19:53:54Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > ‘Warriors on the homefront’, I’ve heard them describe themselves. Long way from Peel’s Principles. One wonders how much of this is due to the endless wars and cycling those people back home and having a lot of them become cops. I was a soldier, but I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Actually… I was a soldier, SO I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Soldiers are not cops, and cops should not be soldiers, and confusing the two is dangerous to people’s safety and to the functioning of a free and democratic society. Cops should not be wearing camouflage and shit like that. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15616 "2019-12-15T23:15:50Z")
San Joaquin County releases video showing police racially abusing a healthy Jacob Servin during processing for public intoxication and escorting to a cell, an hour later it shows police escorting him out bloodied from a savage beating that Servin says came from the San Joaquin Sheriff’s correctional officers. [NSFW news link](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/crime/community-protests-servin-beating-jail-sanjoaquin-county/103-b3ca5797-22b5-426c-8a77-93de63ec864c); he was severely beaten. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15617 "2019-12-16T00:28:52Z")
[LAPD officer under investigation for allegedly fondling dead woman’s breasts](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-03/lapd-officer-under-investigation-for-fondling-female-corpse) > [@](#): > > The incident occurred when the officer and his partner responded to a call about a possible dead woman in a residential unit, sources said. Once the two officers determined the woman was dead, one officer returned to the patrol car to retrieve something. During that time, the accused officer turned off his body-worn camera and allegedly fondled the woman’s breasts, LAPD officials said. There really is no commentary I can add to this. From the [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/us/lapd-officer-fondle-corpse/index.html) story. > [@](#): > > The union said it will not represent the officer involved in the event criminal charges are filed. I suppose it’s good to know that there is a limit to where the union won’t defend one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15618 "2019-12-16T00:31:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > One wonders how much of this is due to the endless wars and cycling those people back home and having a lot of them become cops. > > I was a soldier, but I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Actually… I was a soldier, SO I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Soldiers are not cops, and cops should not be soldiers, and confusing the two is dangerous to people’s safety and to the functioning of a free and democratic society. Cops should not be wearing camouflage and shit like that. A truly profound post that should be heeded. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15619 "2019-12-16T01:02:46Z")
Security guard pulls a gun on an Oakland resident for the crime of [photographing bike racks while black](https://www.facebook.com/680430778/posts/10156698551585779/). ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15620 "2019-12-16T01:17:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > One wonders how much of this is due to the endless wars and cycling those people back home and having a lot of them become cops. > > I was a soldier, but I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Actually… I was a soldier, SO I am sickened by the militarization of police forces. Soldiers are not cops, and cops should not be soldiers, and confusing the two is dangerous to people’s safety and to the functioning of a free and democratic society. Cops should not be wearing camouflage and shit like that. Cops should not be those who served in the American armed forces. If they are, they should receive background checks. I don’t hate police, they have a tough job dealing with a crazy society. \*\*They need to be better trained, they need more diversity, and there needs to be a community-police relationship. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15621 "2019-12-16T02:23:04Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > San Joaquin County releases video showing police racially abusing a healthy Jacob Servin during processing for public intoxication and escorting to a cell, an hour later it shows police escorting him out bloodied from a savage beating that Servin says came from the San Joaquin Sheriff’s correctional officers. [NSFW news link](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/crime/community-protests-servin-beating-jail-sanjoaquin-county/103-b3ca5797-22b5-426c-8a77-93de63ec864c); he was severely beaten. It’s okay. The officers’ Police Union will defend them. The Judge will waive it all off, they’ll be promoted and Mr. Servin will not be able to live in San Joaquin County. Business as usual. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15622 "2019-12-16T02:29:43Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [LAPD officer under investigation for allegedly fondling dead woman’s breasts](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-03/lapd-officer-under-investigation-for-fondling-female-corpse) > > There really is no commentary I can add to this. > > From the [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/us/lapd-officer-fondle-corpse/index.html) story. > > I suppose it’s good to know that there is a limit to where the union won’t defend one of their own. This is also wrong. The union should defend everyone and should not pre-judge any office due to the nature of the allegations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=780) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=782)