# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 787
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15723 "2020-02-06T18:39:48Z")
**Typo Negative** [Firearms Sentencing Enhancements for Personal Use](https://www.shouselaw.com/firearm-sentencing-enhancement.html) > [@](#): > > Under California gun laws, a sentence for a felony can be “enhanced” if a gun was possessed or used by you or an accomplice during the commission of a crime. In such a case, the sentence for the underlying felony can be made longer – in some cases, much longer. Basically, 2nd-degree murder is bad, but 2nd-degree murder with a firearm is worse. From the looks of it, commission of most any felony in CA is worse when a firearm is involved. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15724 "2020-02-06T21:17:30Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > **Typo Negative** , I suppose it’s a matter of the law or guidelines explicitly prescribing a requirement for extra sentencing for the person actually shooting in a murder. It just sounds odd when there is only one person involved. > Way to go. The jury makes the right decision, let’s insult them for not doing it in ten seconds… Honest question: is “more than two days” a long time to deliberate in a murder case? ---
**Author:** ![Anxious\_Squirrel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anxious_squirrel/32/1083_2.png) [@Anxious\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anxious_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15725 "2020-02-06T22:02:52Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Not every cop is bad. > > We need police----we cannot abolish police forces and have anarchy > > There needs to be better police officers and punishments for those that abuse their power. > > It is ironic, that people who advocate for bigger government also believe in anarchy when it comes to public safety----it doesn’t mix well, to me. > > And I’m not no Republican, I’m middle of the road. It is not black and white in everything. Eh, cops are just people doing a job. Some are decent, hardworking people who honestly do try to help sometimes. Others are just trying to get through the day, and don’t really give a crap. While others are authoritarian bullies, psychos with god complexes, or just really stupid, violent, and racist. They’re mostly revenue agents for the state and guardians of the rich and famous. Someone’s got to keep the poor and undesirable in line. When they have good training, hire from inside the community, and have superiors with ethics and morals, then they’re not so bad. I’d never go so far as to look at them as heroes or tell innocent children that they’re their friends. But having them around in those circumstances is less likely to cause more problems than it solves, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15726 "2020-02-07T00:32:48Z")
> [@TheMysteryWriter](#): > > Regarding the jury taking so long to convict the cop, Just to be clear, I made no comment at all about the jury. ---
**Author:** ![Anxious\_Squirrel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anxious_squirrel/32/1083_2.png) [@Anxious\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anxious_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15727 "2020-02-07T01:01:59Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Just to be clear, I made no comment at all about the jury. That was me just trying to understand what you were saying. 🙂 Guess I didn’t understand at all. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15728 "2020-02-07T01:08:08Z")
[Chicago’s Finest](Body Camera Shows Chicago Police Officers Pointing Guns At, Interrogating Innocent Children During Wrong Raid) > [@](#): > > Body Camera Shows Chicago Police Officers Pointing Guns At, Interrogating Innocent Children During Wrong Raid > [@](#): > > Police body-worn camera video from another wrong raid reveals Chicago Police officers not only entering an innocent family’s home, but also pointing assault rifles at and interrogating children without an adult present. As for Chicago PD, our word for the day is _incompetence_. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2020, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15729 "2020-02-07T08:28:30Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Chicago’s Finest](Body Camera Shows Chicago Police Officers Pointing Guns At, Interrogating Innocent Children During Wrong Raid) Wonderful. They solved the problem of having the body cameras showing them pointing guns at the kids by raiding the home again, this time without the body cameras being turned on. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15730 "2020-02-09T09:26:56Z")
ICE agents, not wearing uniforms nor carrying a warrant, shot a man in the face after he intervened when they attempted to arrest his mother’s boyfriend even though the boyfriend had a valid visa, according to the Mexican consulate. This practice of not wearing uniforms or carrying warrants seems to be a common modus operandi among ICE agents. I’ve seen videos of them doing it time and again. > **[ICE Allegedly Shot a Man in the Face in New York City](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/ice-shot-man-in-face-new-york-city.html)** > > The man who was shot was not the man ICE was arresting. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15731 "2020-02-09T15:26:52Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Chicago’s Finest](Body Camera Shows Chicago Police Officers Pointing Guns At, Interrogating Innocent Children During Wrong Raid) > > As for Chicago PD, our word for the day is _incompetence_. Link didn’t work for me. [Here’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9DjWlBEbQ) the video on YT. I don’t think it’s incompetence. IMO it’s due to too many LEOs who genuinely _enjoy_ bulling and harassing people at gunpoint. They think they’re at war, and have a military, “us against them” mindset. (Listen to the language they use when they describe what they do.) I have known quite a few LEOs like this. They get off on busting people. They’re scary. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15732 "2020-02-09T22:50:37Z")
…a tweet just posted by the Sergeants Benevolent Association for the NYPD. Posted in full in case they delete. > [@SBANYPD](#): > > Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on! > > > Mayor Eric Adams @NYCMayor A police union declaring war on the Mayor of New York. Totally normal fucking country. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15733 "2020-02-10T16:39:56Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …a tweet just posted by the Sergeants Benevolent Association for the NYPD. Posted in full in case they delete. > > [https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781](https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781) > > A police union declaring war on the Mayor of New York. > > Totally normal fucking country. Yes. You should declare WAR on the Mayor. But these guys, you should protect. > **[Ex-Detective Admits Running Brothels in the Worst N.Y.P.D. Scandal in Years...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/nyregion/nypd-detective-brothel.html)** > > The mastermind of the crime ring, Ludwig Paz, has pleaded guilty to corruption and promoting prostitution. The scandal involved brothels in Brooklyn and beauty parlors in Queens. > **[Five high-ranking NYPD cops forced out amid bribery scandal awarded over $1...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2019/04/19/five-high-ranking-nypd-cops-forced-out-amid-bribery-scandal-awarded-over-1-million-source/)** > > Five scandal-scarred cops forced out of the NYPD during a federal bribery investigation have received a settlement of over $1 million from the city, a source tells the Daily News. Former Inspector … > **[Diamonds, Dinners and 'Rats': The NYPD's Political Gangsters](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/diamonds-dinners-and-rats_b_9691170)** > > If the NYPD has nothing to hide then a deeper and more transparent gaze into what makes the department tick shouldn't be a problem. A federal investigation alone does little in this regard, playing out behind the scenes and scrutinizing only a... > **[Arrest Made Related To FBI's NYPD Corruption Investigation; 3 More NYPD...](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-scandal-arrest/)** > > Shaya "Alex" Lichtenstein of Brooklyn was arrested today. Sources told 1010 WINS' Juliet Papa 150 gun permits were allegedly obtained through the bribery scheme. > **[Videos Of 'Hyperaggressive' Cops On Brooklyn Subways Spark Outrage, Calls For...](https://gothamist.com/news/videos-hyperaggressive-cops-brooklyn-subways-spark-outrage-calls-discipline)** > > Two incidents this weekend come amid growing scrutiny into an effort to clamp down on low-level subway offenses by nearly doubling the number of cops in the transit system. > **[Video Shows NYPD Brutally Punching Black Teens In Violent Subway Brawl](https://newsone.com/3891574/nypd-subway-brawl-video/)** > > A police confrontation this weekend turned violent, according to a video posted to social media that showed NYPD officers punching a group of mostly Black teenagers in a subway station in Brooklyn early Saturday morning. And way, way too many more… NYPD is a corrupt organization. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15734 "2020-02-10T17:35:28Z")
[Video appears to show jail staff ignoring pleas from dying inmate](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/video-appears-to-show-jail-staff-ignoring-pleas-from-dying-inmate/ar-BBZQfBH) Human life worth nothing in Oklahoma > [@](#): > > Former jail nurse Theresa Horn is heard screaming at Terral about faking an illness (“I’m sick and tired of f\*\*\*\*\*\* dealing with your a\*\*. Ain’t a damn thing wrong with you”), less than four hours before he was found unresponsive in his cell. She told Ellis that EMS had found nothing wrong with him. > [@](#): > > Twelve days after he arrived, Ellis died of sepsis and pneumonia. He was only 26 years old. He pleaded for help for days. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15735 "2020-02-11T03:35:35Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …a tweet just posted by the Sergeants Benevolent Association for the NYPD. Posted in full in case they delete. > > [https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781](https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781) > > A police union declaring war on the Mayor of New York. > > Totally normal fucking country. Sad part is that the SBA is the more sane brother of Pat Lynch’s Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. Neither union has heard of a grift they wouldn’t defend as long as an NYPD officer benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15736 "2020-02-12T04:40:07Z")
A black man in Oregon, Michael Fesser, complained to his boss that he felt like he was being discriminated against because of how he was being treated by his co-workers. The owner of the company contacted his friend, the police chief of the town of West Linn, who sent two police officers to surveille Fesser, because his boss accused him of stealing from him, without a warrant or probable cause. Even though they found no evidence of Fesser having stolen anything, they arrested him and held him for eight hours before releasing him on his own recognizance. They then called him back to the police station to pick up his property, and while there, the police told Fesser that he had been fired from his job. Fesser is suing the city and his former boss. > **[A black Oregon man told his boss about discrimination at work. Then he was...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-oregon-man-told-his-boss-about-discrimination-work-then-n1135011)** > > Michael Fesser said West Linn officers unlawfully surveilled him and then falsely arrested him after he complained to his boss about racial discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15737 "2020-02-12T06:21:15Z")
West Linn is halfway between Lake Oswego and Oregon City – I would most certainly not want to be some suspicious ethnicity while down in that area. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15738 "2020-02-12T20:29:26Z")
I think this waste of biomass was mentioned earlier, but… [Former Jackson County deputy accused of planting drugs facing new charges](https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/former-jackson-county-deputy-accused-of-planting-drugs-facing-new-charges) > [@](#): > > Zachary Wester allegedly planted drugs in people’s cars during what seemed to be routine traffic stops, resulting in more than 100 people being wrongly charged. > > According to court records, Wester plead not guilty to 52 charges related to official misconduct, perjury, fabrication of evidence, possession of drugs, and false imprisonment. Now he’s facing 23 new charges in connection to the false arrests. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15739 "2020-02-16T00:39:31Z")
College swim team takes bathroom break on the way back from a road trip. Local deputies spot the team’s only black member, tackle him, put a gun to his head, threaten to kill him. They later claim they mistakenly thought he’d taken the bus hostage. > **[Black college swimmer on team trip had gun pointed at head by police](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1137126)** > > Jaylan Butler of Eastern Illinois University said officers threatened to blow his head off before it became clear they mistook him for a suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15740 "2020-02-16T04:04:50Z")
A woman in North Carolina took her 16 year old son to the ER at the local hospital because he was having a mental breakdown. Before she could get him inside, though, the hospital security guard threw him to the ground and began punching him. The real cops showed up, and one of them began punching the kid, until his partner pulled the cop off the kid and tackled HIM to the ground. > **[Video shows teen assaulted by Atrium security, Lincoln Co. sheriff’s deputy...](https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/14/video-shows-teen-assaulted-by-atrium-security-lincoln-co-sheriffs-deputy-outside-er/)** > > Jessica Long took her 16-year-old son to the emergency room at Atrium Health – Lincolnton because she was worried he was having a mental health emergency. Instead of getting treatment, he was violently assaulted by hospital security guards and a... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15741 "2020-02-16T05:45:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman in North Carolina took her 16 year old son to the ER at the local hospital because he was having a mental breakdown. Before she could get him inside, though, the hospital security guard threw him to the ground and began punching him. The real cops showed up, and one of them began punching the kid, until his partner pulled the cop off the kid and tackled HIM to the ground. > [Video shows teen assaulted by Atrium security, Lincoln Co. sheriff’s deputy outside ER](https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/14/video-shows-teen-assaulted-by-atrium-security-lincoln-co-sheriffs-deputy-outside-er/) I don’t want to say what I think should be done to those security guards, that cop and the lady who tried to justify their behavior but I’d settle for a few years of jail time for each of them and some restitution for the young man and his family. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2020, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15742 "2020-02-16T05:46:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman in North Carolina took her 16 year old son to the ER at the local hospital because he was having a mental breakdown. Before she could get him inside, though, the hospital security guard threw him to the ground and began punching him. The real cops showed up, and one of them began punching the kid, until his partner pulled the cop off the kid and tackled HIM to the ground. > [Video shows teen assaulted by Atrium security, Lincoln Co. sheriff’s deputy outside ER](https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/14/video-shows-teen-assaulted-by-atrium-security-lincoln-co-sheriffs-deputy-outside-er/) UltraVires But he was DANGEROUS! That cop feared for his life! The child should be happy that the police officer didn’t open fire, as he had every right to do. /UltraVires [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=786) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=788)