# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 788
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15743 "2020-02-17T19:56:11Z")
[Racist, power-tripping cop harasses 2 men and a baby in Johnstown, NY.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSYtc36Ml2k) (7:54 video) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15744 "2020-02-18T18:19:55Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman in North Carolina took her 16 year old son to the ER at the local hospital because he was having a mental breakdown. Before she could get him inside, though, the hospital security guard threw him to the ground and began punching him. The real cops showed up, and one of them began punching the kid, until his partner pulled the cop off the kid and tackled HIM to the ground. > [Video shows teen assaulted by Atrium security, Lincoln Co. sheriff’s deputy outside ER](https://www.wbtv.com/2020/02/14/video-shows-teen-assaulted-by-atrium-security-lincoln-co-sheriffs-deputy-outside-er/) Let’s not forget pulling the weapon. I saw nothing on that video that would make me think the kid was a threat of any kind. This was confirmed by that fact that the guard was able to throw him around like a rag doll. What? He mouthed off? People with mental health issues tend to do that. It’s like they are mentally ill! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15745 "2020-02-18T22:16:31Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I saw nothing on that video that would make me think the kid was a threat of any kind. This was confirmed by that fact that the guard was able to throw him around like a rag doll. This remark is reminiscent of that recent case where the school cop, escorting a kid in a hallway, suddenly and for no obvious reason picked the kid up and body-slammed him, twice. Did we ever see a follow-up on that story? WTF was that all about? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15746 "2020-02-18T22:25:53Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > This remark is reminiscent of that recent case where the school cop, escorting a kid in a hallway, suddenly and for no obvious reason picked the kid up and body-slammed him, twice. > > Did we ever see a follow-up on that story? WTF was that all about? Fired and charged with battery, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15747 "2020-02-19T04:04:18Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Fired and charged with battery, I believe. But what brought that all on in the first place? Was there ever any follow-up news article describing what that was all about? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15748 "2020-02-19T21:19:39Z")
[Peekskill police officer accused of making woman undress](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/peekskill-police-officer-accused-of-making-woman-undress-freed-on-bail/ar-BB107VCz) Peeksill’s Finest > [@](#): > > Agovino, 33, faces felony charges of first-degree sexual abuse, first-degree stalking as a sexually motivated felony, and second-degree burglary as a sexually-motivated felony. > [@](#): > > Authorities said Agovino’s crimes against one Peekskill woman occurred on multiple occasions while he was in uniform and on duty. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15749 "2020-02-20T17:24:35Z")
I don’t recall if this incident made our discussion when it happened, but here it is now: [Family of man killed by trooper seeking more than $10M](https://apnews.com/a2826697795b89d9d9afc46878c27497). > [@](#): > > Lawyers for the family of Mubarak Soulemane, 19, asked the state claims commissioner for permission to sue the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection and top state police officials including Public Safety Commissioner James Rovella for $10 million. > > They also filed notice with the town of West Haven that they intend to sue the town and local police officials for an undisclosed amount of money. > > The attorneys and family on Thursday also called on the state to convene a grand jury for a criminal investigation into the fatal shooting. > > “I want justice. I want justice,” Soulemane’s mother, Omo Mohammed, said in an interview Thursday. “I want this policeman to go to jail for killing my son.” > [@](#): > > State police said Soulemane carjacked a vehicle in Norwalk on Jan. 15 before leading troopers on a chase on Interstate 95 into West Haven. Officials said Soulemane struck two state police cruisers and a civilian’s vehicle before troopers stopped his vehicle by boxing it in. West Haven police also responded to the scene. > > State police body camera videos show a West Haven officer smashing out the passenger door window of the stolen car before a trooper shoots Soulemane with a stun gun, which didn’t work. Another trooper, Brian North, then fired his handgun seven times through the driver’s door window when Soulemane displayed a knife, state police said. > [@](#): > > “Clearly … the video shows the police officer was in no imminent danger … when he fired seven shots rapidly into the car,” said civil rights attorney Sanford Rubenstein, who is representing Soulemane’s family. “More important than money damages is that this police officer be held accountable for his actions.” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15750 "2020-02-24T19:28:18Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I am trying, with an almost complete lack of success, to come up with a story that Officer Owen can tell. I can understand his not talking to anyone, especially the press, except his lawyer. But what can he say? “I accidentally fired at him seven times”? “He attacked me from the passenger seat”? “He tried to grab my gun with his hands cuffed behind him”? “I thought he was somebody else”? > > “Oops”? > > “What the hell were you thinking” seems inadequate, but I can’t come up with anything else. > > Regards, > Shodan Come on, man, you aren’t even trying. “I noticed a glint of light coming off a metallic object hidden behind the back of the suspect. I immediately feared for my life thinking the suspect had snuck a weapon into my patrol car. So I had to fire until the threat was eliminated, just like I was trained.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15751 "2020-02-25T15:24:57Z")
> **[Does Race Matter for Police Use of Force? Evidence from 911 Calls](https://www.nber.org/papers/w26774)** > > Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals. A recent paper “Does Race Matter for Police Use of Force?” Some interesting findings: "Perhaps most strikingly, we show that while white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15752 "2020-02-25T19:21:52Z")
[Bodycam footage shows 6-year-old girl arrested at Orlando school](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSvWz6t3tfs). I cannot imagine anything that will EVER convince me that this was appropriate ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15753 "2020-02-25T20:19:03Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Bodycam footage shows 6-year-old girl arrested at Orlando school](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSvWz6t3tfs). > > I cannot imagine anything that will EVER convince me that this was appropriate It wasn’t. Of course it wasn’t. But it was also against department policy, so the resource officer was fired almost immediately (he’d also arrested an 8-year-old that week). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15754 "2020-02-25T21:12:16Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > It wasn’t. Of course it wasn’t. But it was also against department policy, so the resource officer was fired almost immediately (he’d also arrested an 8-year-old that week). Holy shit. My god. What the fuck is wrong with those guys. That poor little girl – she wasn’t violent, she wasn’t doing anything but pleading to go back to school. “Please give me a second chance!” How could they do this? Seriously, how? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15755 "2020-02-25T21:52:34Z")
Here’s what looks like a [decent article](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2020/02/25/body-camera-video-shows-6-year-old-orlando-girl-arrested-at-school/) on what happened. > [@](#): > > He told them he had arrested 6,000 people in his career — the youngest, to that point, was 7. When school employees told him Kaia was 6, not 8 like he thought, he did not seem concerned. > > “Now she has broken the record,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15756 "2020-02-25T23:53:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [https://www.nber.org/papers/w26774](https://www.nber.org/papers/w26774) > > A recent paper “Does Race Matter for Police Use of Force?” > > Some interesting findings: "Perhaps most strikingly, we show that while white and black officers use gun force at similar rates in white and racially mixed neighborhoods, white officers are five times as likely to use gun force in predominantly black neighborhoods.” That looks interesting. I’ve downloaded the full paper to read later. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15757 "2020-02-26T16:41:31Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Holy shit. My god. What the fuck is wrong with those guys. That poor little girl – she wasn’t violent, she wasn’t doing anything but pleading to go back to school. “Please give me a second chance!” How could they do this? Seriously, how? I saw that yesterday and it literally made me tear up. I guess I’m a sucker for little girls. I wish there was some sort of context. I mean, not that there’s any excuse for cuffing and stuffing a six-year old but the ‘second chance’ plea sound like she had to have done _something_ – just call her parents to pick her up. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15758 "2020-02-26T16:47:51Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I saw that yesterday and it literally made me tear up. I guess I’m a sucker for little girls. I wish there was some sort of context. I mean, not that there’s any excuse for cuffing and stuffing a six-year old but the ‘second chance’ plea sound like she had to have done _something_ – just call her parents to pick her up. According to the article posted above, she had a meltdown and kicked a couple of teachers. Oh, the humanity!!! A six year old kicked a teacher!!! I’m surprised they didn’t call the National Guard, or a SWAT team at least. \ That article also describes what a shit stain this particular cop was. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15759 "2020-02-27T13:53:24Z")
Figures. Years ago when my girlfriend and I were at her mother’s for Thanksgiving the GF told about how when she was in kindergarten there was a tricycle on the playground for the kids to use. She wanted to ride it but the other kids wouldn’t let her so she waited until the bell rang and started riding it around the now empty playground. A teacher came out and said she had to go in now. “No! I haven’t had my turn!” A couple more cycles of this so the teacher pulled her off the trike by the arm and she, in turn, kicked the teacher’s ankle. She was frog-marched to the principal’s office, her mother called, and she was expelled from the school. The whole time she was relating this her mother had this most astonished look on her face then said, “For _years_ I wondered what you’d done to warrant getting expelled from kindergarten.” Apparently when she arrived, the principal wasn’t talking, the teacher wasn’t talking, and the kid couldn’t explain things either. GF shrugged. “No big deal; I just wanted my turn on the tricycle.” But she didn’t get arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15760 "2020-02-28T01:22:32Z")
Orange County (CA) Sheriff’s Department has a history of widespread evidence mishandling, including evidence being booked weeks or months after records state, evidence being not booked at all, deputies falsifying records, and prosecutors failing to disclose deputy misconduct to defense attorneys. Potentially thousands of convictions are affected. A sample found evidence handled “out of policy” in 30% of cases. One deputy followed correct evidence handling procedures in exactly 0 of the 74 cases he managed in the review period. The DA has declined to prosecute any of the deputies who presented misleading evidence. > **[A California County’s Sheriff’s Deputies Are Accused Of Mishandling Evidence...](https://theappeal.org/orange-county-sheriffs-department-evidence-mishandling-scandal/#.XlfwDA11jEs.twitter)** > > Deputies in Orange County wrote false reports about their collection and booking of evidence, according to internal audits kept secret for months. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15761 "2020-02-28T05:19:36Z")
Chicago Code Blue is a group of cops who post trash on both Twitter and Facebook. Their Twitter account is protected, but their Facebook page is open. They just posted a picture of Chicago cops arresting Bernie Sanders in 1963, with the caption “CPD…taking out COMMIE TRASH since 1963”. After much protest, they removed the caption, but whined > [@](#): > > It seems many people took it upon themselves to interpret that as “anti-segregation”. Our original post said nothing about race or segregation…only those easily offended or who support Bernie implied that. > > At the time this photo was taken, Bernie Sanders was a member of the Young Peoples Socialist League. A group that revered the communist Russian Revolution, a Bolshevik movement led by leftist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin. The Bolsheviks would later become the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. > > We at CCB stand by our original post ( which is still up but censored by Facebook), as we DO NOT support a communist sympathizer who seeks to become the next POTUS. We do not support segregation or oppose the civil rights movement. [https://www.facebook.com/ChicagoCodeBlue/photos/rpp.738197486317069/1800236516779822/?type=3&theater](https://www.facebook.com/ChicagoCodeBlue/photos/rpp.738197486317069/1800236516779822/?type=3&theater) He was arrested in 1963 for protesting segregated housing policies of the University of Chicago. > **[Bernie Sanders | Political activism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Political_activism)** > > Sanders later described his time in Chicago as "the major period of intellectual ferment in my life." While there, he joined the Young People's Socialist League (the youth affiliate of the Socialist Party of America) and was active in the civil rights movement as a student for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). Under his chairmanship, the university chapter of CORE merged with the university chapter of the SNCC. In Joan Mahoney, a mem... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15762 "2020-02-28T07:55:28Z")
So CCB supports Trump, a man with a history of segregating housing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=787) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=789)