# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 798
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15943 "2020-06-05T20:41:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > But they’re still on active duty. So Buffalo has at least 57 cops who think pushing elderly people to the ground and walking away as they bleed is fine. Now hold on. You’ve haven’t walked in their shoes, and it’s just a few bad apples. It’s not like it’s the entire response team! oh wait… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15944 "2020-06-05T20:41:32Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > All 57 Buffalo officers resigned in a show of support for the suspended officers. > > This is just shameful. > > [https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688](https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688) > > “All 57 Buffalo officers resigned from their response team as a SHOW OF SUPPORT for the two officers who cracked an elderly man’s skull. Think about that.” Assholes. To be clear, they did not resign from the actual police force, just from the Emergency Response Team. If they had the balls to actually resign from the police force, we could probably chalk this up as a win. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15945 "2020-06-05T20:46:01Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > All 57 Buffalo officers resigned in a show of support for the suspended officers. > > This is just shameful. > > [https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688](https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688) > > “All 57 Buffalo officers resigned from their response team as a SHOW OF SUPPORT for the two officers who cracked an elderly man’s skull. Think about that.” At least that’s 57 fewer bad cops. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15946 "2020-06-05T20:47:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > At least that’s 57 fewer bad cops. They’re still on the force, just not on the special team. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15947 "2020-06-05T21:05:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > They’re still on the force, just not on the special team. So how are they supposed to find out whom to beat down now? Yet another rash decision on their part, not thinking about the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15948 "2020-06-05T21:26:55Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > All 57 Buffalo officers resigned in a show of support for the suspended officers. > > This is just shameful. > > [https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688](https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688) > > “All 57 Buffalo officers resigned from their response team as a SHOW OF SUPPORT for the two officers who cracked an elderly man’s skull. Think about that.” Well good riddance. I see nothing to complain about here. What will happen when they come begging for their jobs back? ETA: Upon reading several subsequent posts here: > [@mhendo](#): > > To be clear, they did not resign from the actual police force, just from the Emergency Response Team. If they had the balls to actually resign from the police force, we could probably chalk this up as a win. Oh wait a minute . . . ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15949 "2020-06-05T22:20:45Z")
Then there’s [this nutsack](https://abcnews.go.com/US/cyclist-assaults-george-floyd-activists-posting-flyers-park/story?id=71080297&cid=social_twitter_abcn) from Bethesda, MD. The Twittermob has him pinned as a former police captain, though Montgomery County police [swear up and down](https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/1268967864800870405) it’s not him. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15950 "2020-06-05T23:28:11Z")
Apparently, the Buffalo officers’ defense is that they were just following orders. What is wrong with these people? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15951 "2020-06-05T23:31:00Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Apparently, the Buffalo officers’ defense is that they were just following orders. > > What is wrong with these people? They had orders to push old people down to the street? ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15952 "2020-06-05T23:32:54Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Apparently, the Buffalo officers’ defense is that they were just following orders. > > What is wrong with these people? Yeah, I’m sure the briefing was like “OK guys, let’s go out there and push old guys over backwards. The objective is to make sure they pass out, and bleed from the head. And any a you pussies stops to help, well, you gotta spend the rest of the day with your dick tucked back between your legs. OK, let’s go be assholes! “ASSHOLES” ON 3!” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15953 "2020-06-06T00:10:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > They had orders to push old people down to the street? > [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Yeah, I’m sure the briefing was like “OK guys, let’s go out there and push old guys over backwards. The objective is to make sure they pass out, and bleed from the head. And any a you pussies stops to help, well, you gotta spend the rest of the day with your dick tucked back between your legs. OK, let’s go be assholes! “ASSHOLES” ON 3!” [Perhaps.](https://q13fox.com/2020/06/03/poor-choice-of-words-wsp-team-leader-tells-troopers-dont-kill-them-but-hit-them-hard-at-seattle-protest/) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15954 "2020-06-06T00:40:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [Officer allegedly warns Proud Boys](https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268863536299675648) to take cover inside because the tear gas is about to start flying – discreetly, because he does not want to be seen playing favorites. Right wing NAZI assholes like the **Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys** are violent instigators. They come in from out-of town specifically to turn mostly peaceful demonstrations itno shit shows. I’m white. And I’ve seen way too many videos of some WHITE son of a bitch agitating and vandalizing. They WERE running a fake “ANTIFA” site on Facebook (until FB shut it down) to pin the blame on an “organization” that doesn’t even exist as an organization. The Boogaloos inparticular are hoping to start a civil war. I see them as traitors, infiltrating the protests to start a war and get other people killed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15955 "2020-06-06T00:42:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Police are using smoke bombs and sometimes CS (though they claim otherwise on the latter) on crowds, [exacerbating the COVID situation](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/heres-why-tear-gas-could-worsen-symptoms-of-coronavirus-and-prompt-more-spread-181427002.html). People in the crowds end up having to remove their masks in order to breathe, as the crowd control measures make them more vulnerable to infection. > > This is not good. They are also “kettling”. They order the crowd to disperse, and then “kettle” them so they CAN’T. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15956 "2020-06-06T00:46:38Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Apparently, the Buffalo officers’ defense is that they were just following orders. > > What is wrong with these people? THAT excuse didn’t work so well at ummmm errrrr the Nuremberg Trials. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15957 "2020-06-06T03:00:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > THAT excuse didn’t work so well at ummmm errrrr the Nuremberg Trials. Apparently, that excuse only works when you are exterminating entire peoples > [@DrDeth](#): > > And dont use the “just obeying orders” stuff- that only applies to Crimes Against Humanity ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15958 "2020-06-06T04:22:46Z")
You know what? If they were explicitly ordered to be violent, to not offer help, to show no mercy, and then they saw two guys basically thrown under the bus and treated as rogue actors . . . I can see why they’d resign. And it’s good they did. The problem isn’t a few bad apples, its the orders themselves, it goes much higher up. And I hope in a weird way this mass resignation will make that conversation more central. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15959 "2020-06-06T04:48:03Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > You know what? If they were explicitly ordered to be violent, to not offer help, to show no mercy, and then they saw two guys basically thrown under the bus and treated as rogue actors . . . I can see why they’d resign. And it’s good they did. The problem isn’t a few bad apples, its the orders themselves, it goes much higher up. And I hope in a weird way this mass resignation will make that conversation more central. I agree with this. Also, after seeing how they were expected to behave as part of that unit, maybe at least some of them are glad to be out of it. I saw another video of the incident today, taken from across the street. You could clearly see the man being pushed and falling backwards and hitting his head on the ground. The officers on that side of the street all stopped for several seconds and looked over there, only to have one of their higher-ups come to chivvy them along and tell them to keep going forward. If it is only the two officers who are being disciplined and not the lieutenant who was behind them pushing them on, then it will be a miscarriage of justice. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15960 "2020-06-06T05:46:39Z")
Fuji bikes has suspended sales to police forces, after reports of police using their bikes as weapons. I’ve seen at least one video of a cop using his bike to assault protesters, but there are so many videos out there, and a lot of them don’t have locations, so it’s hard to tell you where it happened. > **[Fuji's distributor suspends sales of police bikes in North America, begins...](https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2020/06/05/fujis-distributor-suspends-sales-police-bikes-north-america#.XtsrhDpKiM8)** > > PHILADELPHIA (BRAIN) — BikeCo, the North American distributor of Fuji bikes, has suspended sales of bikes to police forces, citing recent reports of police bikes being used as weapons at protest marches. A representative from the company... ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15961 "2020-06-06T11:25:55Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > All 57 Buffalo officers resigned in a show of support for the suspended officers. > > This is just shameful. > > [https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688](https://twitter.com/pquaife/status/1268987488376434688) > > “All 57 Buffalo officers resigned from their response team as a SHOW OF SUPPORT for the two officers who cracked an elderly man’s skull. Think about that.” You know, if they had resigned because the response team was given orders to do things like put old men in the hospital for standing on the street, and they refuse to be part of it… this would be an honorable choice. But they didn’t. They’re fine with shoving old men down and putting them in the hospital, it’s the facing consequences part they don’t like. 100% guaranteed if those officers weren’t disciplined, they’d all be out there today following orders. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/15962 "2020-06-06T11:31:01Z")
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