# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 801
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16003 "2020-06-08T14:43:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If all the cops are so fucking cowardly they need to shoot first and ask questions later because they’re so afraid the man they killed might have had a gun, stop supporting America’s totally asinine gun control. What? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16004 "2020-06-08T14:44:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Just hang those fuckers. Now. And the DA had the video and knew this for two months. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16005 "2020-06-08T17:43:08Z")
> [@margin](#): > > What? America’s asinine gun control means “none”. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16006 "2020-06-08T18:26:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > America’s asinine gun control means “none”. Whew. Too fucking many gundamentalists whine that they’re not allowed to own every penis substitute there is. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16007 "2020-06-08T19:06:11Z")
> [@margin](#): > > The military stresses _de_-escalation. I share your admiration for the military and disdain for the police, but the military does not “stress de-escalation.” It’s the job of infantry to take and hold ground, not de-escalate the situation. It’s the job of armor to destroy the enemy with fire, maneuvre, and shock, not de-escalate the situation. It’s the job of the air force to achieve air supremacy, provide tactical and strategic air support, and support mobiel operations - not de-escalate anything. Escalation and de-escalation is the job of civilian authority. > [@](#): > > … including only being allowed to \return\ fire when fired upon. Again, clearly not always true. In a war situation, soldiers don’t wait for the other side to shoot first. The talented soldier will never let his enemy get a shot off at all. I mean, maybe you meant in civil support roles? Sure, but one of the reasons one must be very careful about using soldiers to support law enforcement is they’re not trained to do that, unless they’re MPs. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16008 "2020-06-08T20:02:36Z")
Australia will open an investigation into the DC police who attacked the Australian reporters. > **[Australia opens investigation into U.S. police violence against journalists...](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/australia-launches-investigation-into-police-violence-against-tv-crew.html)** > > "Our embassy in the United States will approach the relevant authorities, and Channel Seven will also provide us with their views on how they wish to deal with it," Foreign Minister Marise Payne said Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16009 "2020-06-08T20:56:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > America’s asinine gun control means “none”. “None”? Are you somehow posting from 150 years ago? Because there have been ongoing, repeated gun laws implemented since before the Civil War. The very first gun control laws were overtly racist, implemented to disallow blacks from owning firearms. More gun control laws are added every year. And it strikes me as ironic and inconsistent to argue for disbanding and refunding the police at the same time as arguing for more gun control. Some apparently think that the police are racist, immoral, corrupt and dangerous, but also think that only police should have guns. And disband police forces while leaving citizens unarmed and unable to protect themselves. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16010 "2020-06-08T21:48:36Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > “None”? Are you somehow posting from 150 years ago? Yes, and no. In terms of measures that would actually do something worthwhile, there are none. [For example](https://www.thetrace.org/2016/08/atf-non-searchable-databases/) there is a massive ATF database of firearms in Martinsburg West Virginia – federal requires that be _non_-searchable. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16011 "2020-06-08T22:10:31Z")
Derek Chauvin voted in Florida while living and working in Minnesota. > **[Former Minneapolis Officer Derek Chauvin Voted In Florida In 2016, 2018](https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/law-order/2020-06-07/former-minneapolis-officer-derek-chauvin-voted-in-florida-in-2016-2018)** > > The former Minneapolis police officer at the center of the George Floyd protests voted in Florida in 2016 and 2018, raising questions about whether he… ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16012 "2020-06-08T22:12:48Z")
But it is impossible for a white republican policeman to do something illegal. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16013 "2020-06-08T22:14:34Z")
Police were concerned that unoccupied parked cars in parking lots might at some point be deployed in the midst of the protests as weapons, so they [slashed their tires](https://www.startribune.com/officers-slashed-tires-on-vehicles-parked-during-mpls-protests-unrest/571105692/) in order to prevent that from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16014 "2020-06-08T23:57:08Z")
> [@margin](#): > > And the DA had the video and knew this for two months. DAs gets nothing done without the support of the police, and for all intents and purposes that means the support of the police unions. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16015 "2020-06-09T00:26:26Z")
Seattle Police Department announces that they will _[suspend](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2020-06-05/seattle-area-labor-council-says-it-could-expel-police-union)_ the use of CS gas _for 30 days_ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16016 "2020-06-09T00:28:04Z")
In a giant _ **FUCK YOU!** _ to the public, [a Florida police organization is offering to hire police from Atlanta and Buffalo that have been fired for misconduct.](https://deadstate.org/florida-police-organization-offers-to-hire-buffalo-and-atlanta-cops-fired-for-misconduct/?fbclid=IwAR26wK2Os_ky29NiPat5KgjKhB7ElwUi7apglDIXMRxnTSy1W5XUlxn3RjQ) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16017 "2020-06-09T01:40:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Seattle Police Department announces that they will _[suspend](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2020-06-05/seattle-area-labor-council-says-it-could-expel-police-union)_ the use of CS gas _for 30 days_ And when they say “suspend”, they mean “[completely cover the street with it](https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1269893692074139648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1269893692074139648&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231269893692074139648)”. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16018 "2020-06-09T13:13:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > DAs gets nothing done without the support of the police, and for all intents and purposes that means the support of the police unions. Apparently that DA was friends with those scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16019 "2020-06-09T13:15:55Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I share your admiration for the military and disdain for the police, but the military does not “stress de-escalation.” It’s the job of infantry to take and hold ground, not de-escalate the situation. It’s the job of armor to destroy the enemy with fire, maneuvre, and shock, not de-escalate the situation. It’s the job of the air force to achieve air supremacy, provide tactical and strategic air support, and support mobiel operations - not de-escalate anything. Escalation and de-escalation is the job of civilian authority. > Again, clearly not always true. In a war situation, soldiers don’t wait for the other side to shoot first. The talented soldier will never let his enemy get a shot off at all. > > I mean, maybe you meant in civil support roles? Sure, but one of the reasons one must be very careful about using soldiers to support law enforcement is they’re not trained to do that, unless they’re MPs. Yeah, I was in the Army 20 years. I was in combat. I think I still have the little laminated RoE card they gave us before we got to Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16020 "2020-06-09T14:36:44Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Police were concerned that unoccupied parked cars in parking lots might at some point be deployed in the midst of the protests as weapons, so they [slashed their tires](https://www.startribune.com/officers-slashed-tires-on-vehicles-parked-during-mpls-protests-unrest/571105692/) in order to prevent that from happening. They sure did. So then, WHO are the shit stirring thugs again?? Remind us, all you apologists here. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5wk-mRv1Nlo/maxresdefault.jpg "WATCH: Cops slash car tires at protests in Minneapolis") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wk-mRv1Nlo) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16021 "2020-06-09T14:37:51Z")
> [@margin](#): > > And the DA had the video and knew this for two months. Yes. Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16022 "2020-06-09T15:14:05Z")
Has anybody else heard about the thing in Seattle? Reichwing douchebag drives into crowd of protesters, then jumps out and shoots someone? It seems the shooter is the brother of a cop. Bro is in custody, maybe at brother’s duty station. That’s it. That’s all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=800) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=802)