# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 802
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16023 "2020-06-09T18:08:03Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Has anybody else heard about the thing in Seattle? Reichwing douchebag drives into crowd of protesters, then jumps out and shoots someone? It seems the shooter is the brother of a cop. Bro is in custody, maybe at brother’s duty station. That’s it. That’s all. [This story](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/seattle-protest-car-crowd-shoots-demonstrator)? Yeah I’d heard of it, but not the brother part. Lots of people commented on how he was treated nicely by the cops and treated them like buddies. That helps explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16024 "2020-06-09T22:19:11Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > They sure did. So then, WHO are the shit stirring thugs again?? > Remind us, all you apologists here. > > [https://youtu.be/5wk-mRv1Nlo](https://youtu.be/5wk-mRv1Nlo) Given the choice, which would flatten the tires while causing the least damage: cutting the valve stems or slashing the tires? The replacement of all the tires should be paid for by the city and taken out of the police department’s budget. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16025 "2020-06-10T00:15:45Z")
San Jose police fired a rubber bullet at their own bias trainer, rupturing his testicle. > **[George Floyd protests: San Jose police fire rubber bullets at own bias...](https://www.fox23.com/trending_archives/george-floyd-protests-san-jose-police-fire-rubber-bullets-at-own-bias-trainer-rupture-his/article_fb5e6f1a-3e9d-55e1-afdc-15e4056eeadc.html)** > > Derrick Sanderlin has spent years training new police recruits in San Jose, California, how to avoid implicit bias toward minorities. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16026 "2020-06-10T00:38:25Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Given the choice, which would flatten the tires while causing the least damage: cutting the valve stems or slashing the tires? Not even cutting: I recall doing some tire work in a service station (an ancient mythical place where you could get fuel and, if needed, get your vehicle repaired) where we had a handy little valve stem tool that could just pop that thing right out of the rim. Or the valve core tool that could turn the core out of the valve. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16027 "2020-06-10T01:40:02Z")
Just saw an image of a MinneapolisPD car door, marked “To Protect with Courage, to Serve with Compassion”. No irony there, no, not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16028 "2020-06-10T11:22:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > San Jose police fired a rubber bullet at their own bias trainer, rupturing his testicle. > [George Floyd protests: San Jose police fire rubber bullets at own bias trainer, rupture his testicle](https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/george-floyd-protests-san-jose-police-fire-rubber-bullets-own-bias-trainer-rupture-his-testicle/K5HUBNAHTJERPBKA2CVC2B5LRU/) The guy was shocked to think that all of his work was for nothing. Let me tell you: I have stood in front of and given periods of instruction to a total of hundreds, if not \>1,000 cops, and most cops don’t give a shit about anything that isn’t cop shit. And what I was training wasn’t cop shit, and bias training isn’t cop shit. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16029 "2020-06-10T11:52:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > San Jose police fired a rubber bullet at their own bias trainer, rupturing his testicle. > [George Floyd protests: San Jose police fire rubber bullets at own bias trainer, rupture his testicle](https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/george-floyd-protests-san-jose-police-fire-rubber-bullets-own-bias-trainer-rupture-his-testicle/K5HUBNAHTJERPBKA2CVC2B5LRU/) Time and again police officers are shown to have bias, and yet they need a _bias trainer_?! ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16030 "2020-06-10T11:53:27Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Time and again police officers are shown to have bias, and yet they need a _bias trainer_?! Um. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16031 "2020-06-10T13:10:29Z")
Hey, according to Sean Hannity, even Trump has been the victim of corrupt police! > Hannity: “Even the president himself – it’s not the same thing as what happened to George Floyd, but it’s horrific. He was a victim of crooked cops. Now, again, not the same circumstances, I’m not making any comparison,” As he makes a comparison… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16032 "2020-06-10T14:16:14Z")
Well, gee, Sean. Are you sure it’s not the same thing as what happened to Floyd? I mean I’m not actually sure that cretin you worship is actually evidencing any signs of life. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16033 "2020-06-10T14:27:58Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Given the choice, which would flatten the tires while causing the least damage: cutting the valve stems or slashing the tires? Cars with tire pressure monitors (the kind that actually use a sensor inside the tire) typically have metal valve stems, which don’t lend themselves to expeditious cutting. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16034 "2020-06-10T14:53:37Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > America’s asinine gun control means “none”. Actually, ‘control’ is what my cerebellum and fingers produced when my higher brain, if any, thought it was typing ‘culture.’ (I caught this _after_ the 5-minute edit window.) I need to start an IMHO thread on my weird typing aphasia. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16035 "2020-06-10T16:04:45Z")
[LAPD officer charged with assault after video shows him punching suspect in Boyle Heights](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lapd-officer-charged-with-assault-after-video-shows-him-punching-suspect-in-boyle-heights/ar-BB15gogF?ocid=hplocalnews) Actually, it shows him beating the shit out of him. If it was in the ring, the ref would stepped in to stop the ass-kicking. > [@](#): > > The officer later claimed that the suspect had first grabbed and injured his hand Well, the injury to his hand didn’t affect his swing any. And again, this was business as usual. This one just happened to be caught on a cell phone video. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16036 "2020-06-10T16:11:11Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [LAPD officer charged with assault after video shows him punching suspect in Boyle Heights](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lapd-officer-charged-with-assault-after-video-shows-him-punching-suspect-in-boyle-heights/ar-BB15gogF?ocid=hplocalnews) > > Actually, it shows him beating the shit out of him. If it was in the ring, the ref would stepped in to stop the ass-kicking. > > Well, the injury to his hand didn’t affect his swing any. > > And again, this was business as usual. This one just happened to be caught on a cell phone video. > [@](#): > > The suspect was later released from custody. Heh. Go all MMA on the poor dude, then say, “never mind”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16037 "2020-06-10T16:34:24Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > And again, this was business as usual. This one just happened to be caught on a cell phone video. Absolutely. Things have not changed. Police are not more violent. There are just more cameras around,and it’s harder for the police to confiscate and smash them all. It’s really hard for a cop to lie on his official statement these days, when there is video evidence of him assaulting an unarmed person. The police still seem to be stupidly oblivious to the fact they are being filmed committing crimes, and simply keep on doing things the way they always have; beat the suspect to a pulp and then claim that the suspect was"resisting arrest" and charge the victim. Hell, many times, they are not a “suspect” at all, just someone on the street. Courts never used to question the word of the criminal cop. Several years ago, a Vancouver Cop was walking down a sidewalk with his partner. He shoved (for no reason whatsoever) a person with MS walking with a cane. Pushed her down and injured her. Then walked right past. Both cops. Of course, he denied that he had ever done such a thing. Outrageous! His union stood up for him, of course! Then a video surfaced from a business nearby. It was given to the press, since the police investigation never even asked for it for some mysterious reason. It showed the assault by the police in glorious colour and fine detail. And the police wonder why they are not respected - when some of their members are simply criminals who deliberately injure vulnerable citizens for no reason, and their fellow officers who witness this do nothing - and their superiors cover up evidence. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16038 "2020-06-10T16:41:38Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Cars with tire pressure monitors (the kind that actually use a sensor inside the tire) typically have metal valve stems, which don’t lend themselves to expeditious cutting. Are they schrader valves? Because a valve core remover would take care of those in just a few seconds. Take the core along with you and the driver is kind of screwed. Of course, if they are those run-flat tires, you might have to put more effort into it. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16039 "2020-06-10T16:42:59Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Several years ago, a Vancouver Cop was walking down a sidewalk with his partner. He shoved (for no reason whatsoever) a person with MS walking with a cane. Pushed her down and injured her. Then walked right past. Both cops. Of course, he denied that he had ever done such a thing. Outrageous! His union stood up for him, of course! Then a video surfaced from a business nearby. It was given to the press, since the police investigation never even asked for it for some mysterious reason. It showed the assault by the police in glorious colour and fine detail. You forgot the icing on the cake. He received a six-day suspension, and the adjudicator cited the lengthy delay between the event and the adjudication as a reason to reduce the sentence - a delay that was caused by the cop’s own union and his lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16040 "2020-06-10T17:40:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Absolutely. Things have not changed. Police are not more violent. There are just more cameras around,and it’s harder for the police to confiscate and smash them all. That’s probably part of it, but police departments have also gotten much more aggressive with regards to training. In addition, the doctrine of Qualified Immunity has turned many rules regarding officer behavior, or even outright laws, into complete jokes. (QI goes beyond just police, but it has a big effect there.) Police unions have also turned themselves into almost complete bulwarks ensuring misconduct is rarely or never punished, and politicians just-as-rarely risk crossing them. Of course it’s impossible to say what they were once getting away with, but there are at least a few obvious reasons to suspect that police officers have gotten worse, not better, and this may be a response to the availability to video cameras. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > DAs gets nothing done without the support of the police, and for all intents and purposes that means the support of the police unions. Not knowing any details of the New Brunswick PD, I can’t specifically say they are perfectly clean. However, in this particular case it seems as though they did things correctly. It was the DA’s office which acted improperly, and the individual responsible is being investigated for several improper actions. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16041 "2020-06-10T18:31:56Z")
President of Chicago Police Review board hit by cop batons. [https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501713-president-of-chicago-police-board-hit-with-batons-during](https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501713-president-of-chicago-police-board-hit-with-batons-during)? * * * New Mexico cop charged with manslaughter after telling the victim he was going to choke him out. > **[Officer on video saying he'll 'choke you out' before man dies is charged with...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1228886)** > > "I'm going to f\*\*\* choke you out, bro," the New Mexico police officer can be heard saying. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16042 "2020-06-10T18:58:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > New Mexico cop charged with manslaughter after telling the victim he was going to choke him out. > [Officer on video saying he'll 'choke you out' before man dies is charged with manslaughter](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1228886) \ Well, the dude was running away, and not respecting the Authoritah! Naturally, the cop was afraid for his life, and it was self-defense. \ He’ll probably get a 5 day suspension (with pay) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=801) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=803)