# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 803
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16043 "2020-06-10T20:29:27Z")
Tulsa police major: Police shoot black people less than we probably should. > **[TPD Major: Police Shoot Black Americans 'Less Than We Probably Ought To'](https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2020-06-09/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-than-we-probably-ought-to)** > > Please see this editor's note about a photo change on the story.Updated June 10, 7 p.m. to clarify a quote and link to a study cited.Discussing nationwide… ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16044 "2020-06-10T20:30:11Z")
Hey, remember way back when Breonna Taylor was shot in her sleep? The Louisville police have released the incident report and… it’s almost completely blank. It does have the ‘no’ box checked for forced entry even though the police used a battering ram to enter the apartment, and lists her injuries as ‘none’ even though she was shot eight times and died in a pool of blood. The sheer gall of police in this country is truly astounding - or maybe they don’t count eight gunshots as an injury, or using a battering ram as forced entry. > **[Louisville police release the Breonna Taylor incident report. It's virtually...](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-shooting-louisville-police-release-incident-report/5332915002/)** > > The "narrative" of events in the March 13 shooting says only "PIU investigation." And the rest of the report has no information filled in at all. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16045 "2020-06-11T01:49:38Z")
I don’t understand [Fired Atlanta Officers File Suit Against Mayor, Police Chief](https://blackamericaweb.com/2020/06/09/fired-atlanta-officers-file-suit-against-mayor-police-chief/?fbclid=IwAR3sFsO7dbwNf-hJdS8IYAgSzR2Em41SM4gBCi0lmqXmt8rktPqRYjNzjvk) Quote from the article: “The lawsuit alleges that the officers were fired in violation of the city’s code, without investigation, proper notice or a pre-disciplinary hearing” I’m a cybersecurity guy. I don’t get this protection. Why should cops, who hold the lives of everyone they stop in their hands, get that protection? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16046 "2020-06-11T04:10:45Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t understand [Fired Atlanta Officers File Suit Against Mayor, Police Chief](https://blackamericaweb.com/2020/06/09/fired-atlanta-officers-file-suit-against-mayor-police-chief/?fbclid=IwAR3sFsO7dbwNf-hJdS8IYAgSzR2Em41SM4gBCi0lmqXmt8rktPqRYjNzjvk) > > Quote from the article: “The lawsuit alleges that the officers were fired in violation of the city’s code, without investigation, proper notice or a pre-disciplinary hearing” > > I’m a cybersecurity guy. I don’t get this protection. Why should cops, who hold the lives of everyone they stop in their hands, get that protection? You actually do have protection for unlawful termination, but it’s a bit more difficult for you to avail yourself of that. The police generally (always?) have a collective bargaining agreement in place and, yes, the city/county/whatever jurisdiction had damn well better follow that agreement to the letter or the jurisdiction’s taxpayers will be on the hook. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16047 "2020-06-11T04:15:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You actually do have protection for unlawful termination, but it’s a bit more difficult for you to avail yourself of that. The police generally (always?) have a collective bargaining agreement in place and, yes, the city/county/whatever jurisdiction had damn well better follow that agreement to the letter or the jurisdiction’s taxpayers will be on the hook. Actually, I don’t. If I assaulted someone and my assault was posted on the Internet, I would be fired. I can be fired for any reason that is not a protected class. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16048 "2020-06-11T10:37:03Z")
This white woman was repeatedly pulled over by police who mistook her black poodle for a black man. > **[A White Woman, Racism and a Poodle](https://franklywrite.com/2020/06/01/a-white-woman-racism-and-a-poodle/)** > > I have not told this story before. I worry how it will be received. I don’t know the right language to express it other than my own thoughts and feelings. This post is not for people of color… ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16049 "2020-06-11T11:10:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The police generally (always?) have a collective bargaining agreement in place and, yes, the city/county/whatever jurisdiction had damn well better follow that agreement to the letter or the jurisdiction’s taxpayers will be on the hook. The police union gets to vote on what these agreements are. If they vote for “protect cops who beat people” it is my absolute right as a citizen of this country to think the police are no better than a gang of thugs who demand the legal right to fuck up anyone they want without reprisal. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16050 "2020-06-11T11:30:46Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Actually, I don’t. If I assaulted someone and my assault was posted on the Internet, I would be fired. I can be fired for any reason that is not a protected class. And that literally is a protection. Among others. And if you had a negotiated contract that provided more protections, like this individual does, you’d have more. Just like I have salary and benefits above and beyond what the law stipulates. “Why should?” isn’t a terribly useful contribution, regardless. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16051 "2020-06-11T12:03:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You actually do have protection for unlawful termination, but it’s a bit more difficult for you to avail yourself of that. The police generally (always?) have a collective bargaining agreement in place and, yes, the city/county/whatever jurisdiction had damn well better follow that agreement to the letter or the jurisdiction’s taxpayers will be on the hook. Actually, after looking at the linked news story, I went and read the [complaint](https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/cbs46.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/07/607969d6-a9f5-11ea-9061-a3139626427a/5edeee0b7a818.pdf.pdf) (PDF) in the lawsuit, and the police union’s Collective Bargaining Agreement is **not** the basis for the suit. It is based on the City Code of the City of Atlanta, which appears to contain a number of provisions regarding how employee discipline and termination are supposed to be handled. From the suit: > [@](#): > > On May 3 l , 2020, the Petitioners were summarily dismissed from their > employment by Petitioner Shields, without an investigation, without proper notice, > without a pre-disciplinary hearing, and in direct violation of the municipal code of > the City of Atlanta. Contrary to city policy as well as the policies, procedures, > customs, and practices of the City of Atlanta Police Department, Petitioners were > never interviewed by the Office 0f Professional Standards or any individual > regarding this incident to provide their statements. > > \ > > The municipal code of the City of Atlanta, Part II, Chapter 114, Article VI., > Division 3 “Disciplinary Action,” §1 14—528(a), “Cause for action,” states the > following (in pertinent part): > > “No employee shall be dismissed from employment or otherwise adversely > affected as to compensation or employment status **except for cause**.” > (emphasis added). > > The municipal code of the City of Atlanta, Part II, Chapter l 14, Article VI., > Division 1 “Generally,” §1 14-502, “Definitions,” Defines Adverse action in the > following way (in pertinent part): > > “_Adverse action_ means a **disciplinary action taken for cause** by a > department head 0r designee which results in suspension without pay, > demotion or **dismissal** of a regular, nonprobationary employee in the > classified service of the city **or any regular nonprobationary sworn > officer of the department of police who holds the rank of lieutenant or > below**. . .” (emphasis added). > > The municipal code of the City of Atlanta, Part II, Chapter 1 14, Article VI., > Division 3., “Disciplinary Action,” §1 14-530(a), “Procedure for imposing adverse > actions,” states in pertinent part the following: > > “_Notice required_. An employee against whom an adverse action is to be > taken shall be given a written notice of proposed adverse action, signed by > the appointing authority or designee, _**at least ten working days prior t0 the > effective date of the proposed adverse action **_. However, _** in an emergency > situation**_, the adverse action may become effective immediately following > the employee’s response, if any.” (Emphasis added). > > The municipal code of the City of Atlanta, Part II, Chapter 1 14, Article VI., > Division 3., “Disciplinary Action,” §1 14-532, “Emergency Situations” defines the > term “emergency situation,” and codifies its “conditions of use” as follows: > > “(a) Conditions for use. _**The appointing authority or designee may > immediately suspend an employee with pay**_ upon the determination that > the following circumstances exist: > INDENT There is cause to believe that the employee has committed a > crime involving moral turpitude or a felony which is job related or > deters the employee from effective performance of the > employee’s job. > (2) The retention of the employee in active duty status may result in > damage to property 0r may be disruptive, detrimental or injurious to > the employee, coworkers, subordinates or the general public or may > be disruptive to the daily operation of a city government function. > > (b) _Notice of emergency action_. The appointing authority or designee shall > give the employee against whom the emergency action is taken a notice of > emergency action in writing, not later than five working days after the > effective date of the emergency action. The notice of emergency action > shall include a statement of the emergency situation that caused the action > to be taken. **Should the action be an adverse action, the notice shall meet > the requirements of section 114-530**. A copy of such notice shall be sent > to the commissioner of human resources.” (Emphasis added).[/INDENT] All the “emphasis” stuff is in the original lawsuit. These assholes need to be off the force, in my opinion, but if they were fired as a result of action by the Mayor and Police Chief, without going through the procedures required by the city code, they might have a case here. It’s probably going to depend, at least in part, on competing claims about what constitutes an “emergency situation,” and whether this case applies, but even then it appears that the Mayor and Police Chief might have jumped the gun a bit. There is no Collective Bargaining Agreement mentioned in the lawsuit. This isn’t too surprising, because terminations and other actions that violate a CBA are usually handled by negotiation and arbitration before they proceed to a lawsuit. I’m a member of a public sector union, and I’m also a member of my union’s Faculty Rights Committee on my college campus, and if we believe that someone has been disciplined or fired in violation of our CBA, there are appeals processes and arbitration that we go through before any lawsuits get filed. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16052 "2020-06-11T12:07:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m a cybersecurity guy. I don’t get this protection. Why should cops, who hold the lives of everyone they stop in their hands, get that protection? Actually, as my citation from the lawsuit shows, if you were employed as a cybersecurity guy by the City of Atlanta you would, in fact, have this protection. It does not appear that these city code sections apply only to law enforcement; they apply to all city employees. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16053 "2020-06-11T12:18:30Z")
Thanks for digging that up. I suppose then the question of whether or not this is good policy remains. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16054 "2020-06-11T12:48:06Z")
Sounds like the mayor and chief needed to say something like: > [@](#): > > Look, we all know that “suspended with pay” is often cover for “we’ll take you back in a few weeks when this blows over”. > > If we don’t want to be forced to keep bad officers on the force, we must follow the legally prescribed procedures. Know that we will be transparent ever step of the way, and will move the procedure as quickly as possible. Still going to piss folks off, but if they can show that they are actually getting rid of the ‘bad apples’, then some trust may eventually be reestablished. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16055 "2020-06-11T13:46:51Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Thanks for digging that up. I suppose then the question of whether or not this is good policy remains. Yeah, it’s a tough issue. On the one hand, I look at an incident like this, and my immediate response is that there should be a mechanism by which these cops can be fired immediately, and with no recourse. Some things are bad enough that we shouldn’t need suspensions with pay and weeks-long investigations to determine that bad actors should lose their jobs. On the other hand, if you don’t have any mechanisms like this in place, you leave open the possibility that workers (not just cops, but other government workers) could be fired based on personality conflicts, or because their supervisor wants to hire a buddy in their place, or because they have the wrong politics. We tend to accept that this sort of thing can happen in private companies, but we also generally require a little more of our government agencies and employers, in terms of due process. As I said previously, I’m in a public sector union, and there are procedures that have to be followed before a faculty member at my university can be fired. And I know of a range of incidents in which this has happened, all of which involved going through the appropriate investigations and procedures. But while I’ve seen some pretty bad faculty behavior, none of it ever involved violating a person’s basic constitutional rights, and none of it ever involved using a weapon like a taser or a gun or a baton. Police have more immediate and potentially violent authority over the public, as part of their jobs, than the vast majority of public employees, and I think that it’s appropriate to have special rules in place that allow them to be summarily suspended without pay or dismissed if they violate the public trust in using their authority. I could live with a system that suspends an officer WITH pay, but that requires repayment of any salary paid out during the suspension if the officer is found guilty of an offense that warrants suspension without pay, or termination. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16056 "2020-06-11T15:47:23Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Hey, remember way back when Breonna Taylor was shot in her sleep? The Louisville police have released the incident report and… it’s almost completely blank. It does have the ‘no’ box checked for forced entry even though the police used a battering ram to enter the apartment, and lists her injuries as ‘none’ even though she was shot eight times and died in a pool of blood. The sheer gall of police in this country is truly astounding - or maybe they don’t count eight gunshots as an injury, or using a battering ram as forced entry. > > [Breonna Taylor shooting: Louisville police release incident report](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/10/breonna-taylor-shooting-louisville-police-release-incident-report/5332915002/) I live in Louisville. Folks are not happy with the police right now. I never met Breonna Taylor, but I feel a kind of kinship with her. She was an EMT, a job I did for several years. And my fiancée is a black woman, and at the moment, she’s afraid for the both of us to go out in public together. But I digress. There’s a lot of outrage concerning Breonna Taylor, and all of it deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16057 "2020-06-11T16:26:42Z")
Violating the CBA or the city or country codes relating to employee termination is never a good idea. I’m sure many, if not most (Hell, probably all), of us have heard “It’s impossible to fire a federal civil servant”. Nope, it’s not. It’s actually rather easy provided the supervisor substantiates the case with the appropriate paper trail. Just because it’s a pain in the ass to write reports on problem employees does not make it okay to not do your job as a supervisor. Don’t want to do that? Then don’t take the promotion to supervisor. In my last assignment in the Navy, there was one horrible civil servant. Evidently none of her previous supervisors ever made the appropriate reports regarding her. Then one officer-in-charge on her first day in the unit wrote up the civilian and continued with written disciplinary actions. The day the disciplinary board was set to fire the civilian, that civilian quit when she realized how bad “terminated” would look on her resume. From the new OIC’s write-up of the civilian to the quitting it was only about six weeks total. The key is to substantiate (“If it isn’t written, it didn’t happen”), and do not do anything at all that is not covered under the CBA/laws relating to employee discipline. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16058 "2020-06-11T17:03:43Z")
I am a little surprised that US public sector employees seem to be impossible to fire on the spot - summarily dismissed - is that genuinely the case? Seems to me there would be certain instances where summary dismissal can be awarded. In the UK, the procedure is pretty much the same as **Monty** outlines, and I would expect there would be an appeals procedure too. However some actions of public sector employees are so beyond bounds that instant dismissal without pay is the only option - assaulting people, racism, or compromising national security or confidence. These matters would be classed as ‘gross misconduct’ but pretty much at the extreme end of that standard. > **[Dismissing staff](https://www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/dismissals-on-capability-or-conduct-grounds)** > > How to dismiss staff fairly, working within dismissal rules and dealing with dismissals relating to whistleblowing In those extreme cases appeal is possible however events leading to the dismissal a likely to be such that there would not be any grounds for such an appeal. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16059 "2020-06-11T17:56:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Tulsa police major: Police shoot black people less than we probably should. > [TPD Major: Police Shoot Black Americans 'Less Than We Probably Ought To'](https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-we-probably-ought) [And still in Tulsa, video of black teenager cuffed and arrested (last week) for jaywalking.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/tulsa-police-handcuff-teenagers-jaywalking/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16060 "2020-06-11T18:10:53Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I could live with a system that suspends an officer WITH pay, but that requires repayment of any salary paid out during the suspension if the officer is found guilty of an offense that warrants suspension without pay, or termination. You know, I don’t really care if a terrible person gets a few extra weeks pay while something is investigated. It’s a problem if it’s not a few weeks, it’s months and months. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16061 "2020-06-11T18:14:01Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > You know, I don’t really care if a terrible person gets a few extra weeks pay while something is investigated. It’s a problem if it’s not a few weeks, it’s months and months. Absolutely. The time is more important than the money. For me, that proposal was mainly a compromise, to head off possible concerns about unpaid suspensions leaving people without a paycheck while their cases are adjudicated. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16062 "2020-06-11T20:05:17Z")
Chicago police union threatens to kick any officer out of the union if they kneel with protesters. > **[FOP: Chicago officers who kneel with protesters could be kicked out of police...](https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/fop-chicago-officers-who-kneel-with-protesters-could-be-kicked-out-of-police-union)** > > The new president of Chicago’s powerful police union has issued a stern warning to officers. He says any officers showing sympathy to police protesters while in uniform could be thrown out of the union. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=802) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=804)