# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 808
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16143 "2020-06-17T20:39:22Z")
Far-right militia groups are now protecting statues of Spanish Conquistadors? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16144 "2020-06-17T22:04:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Far-right militia groups are now protecting statues of Spanish Conquistadors? Well, yeah. Them’s was the good…well, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16145 "2020-06-17T23:08:15Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > [Felony murder and 10 other charges for former-Officer Rolfe](https://apnews.com/f3c3747e6d8c0bd63ba7c57c6d363868?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow). I guess the DA disagrees with all the bullshit attempts to justify the shooting. Let’s hope the state has the balls (and the appropriate evidence) to make the charges stick. We didn’t even give the police department a proper opportunity to investigate itself, and put the guy on paid leave. We’re treating them like animals. Animals, I tell you! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16146 "2020-06-18T00:17:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, yeah. Them’s was the good…well, you know. white-ish ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16147 "2020-06-18T00:32:26Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > [Felony murder and 10 other charges for former-Officer Rolfe](https://apnews.com/f3c3747e6d8c0bd63ba7c57c6d363868?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow). I guess the DA disagrees with all the bullshit attempts to justify the shooting. Let’s hope the state has the balls (and the appropriate evidence) to make the charges stick. Oh wow, I didn’t realize that after shooting him the cops refused to give aid for two minutes while he bled out. I didn’t notice any of the people defending police procedure mention that ‘once the person is no longer a threat, you keep your foot on him and let him bleed out rather than give medical attention’ was part of the standard. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16148 "2020-06-18T01:29:32Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Oh wow, I didn’t realize that after shooting him the cops refused to give aid for two minutes while he bled out. I didn’t notice any of the people defending police procedure mention that ‘once the person is no longer a threat, you keep your foot on him and let him bleed out rather than give medical attention’ was part of the standard. Apparently it was worse than that: the DA is saying that once Brooks was down, one of the officers kicked him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16149 "2020-06-18T03:10:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Apparently it was worse than that: the DA is saying that once Brooks was down, one of the officers kicked him. Well sure. He was clearly not respecting that officer’s authority. He was probably ORDERED to stop bleeding, but would not obey. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16150 "2020-06-18T04:35:43Z")
Atlanta police have walked off the job after the two killer cops were charged. > **[Atlanta Police walk out following murder charge against officer who shot...](https://decaturish.com/2020/06/atlanta-police-walkout-following-murder-charge-against-officer-who-shot-rayshard-brooks/)** > > Share  This story has been updated.  Atlanta, GA —  The head of Atlanta’s police union confirmed Wednesday that officers from the Atlanta Police Department in Zones 3 and 6 walked off the job Wednesday afternoon. Vince Champion,... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16151 "2020-06-18T04:46:45Z")
repost ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16152 "2020-06-18T05:38:24Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, yeah. Them’s was the good…well, you know. But Spaniards are white… much more nuanced that I can distill into beyond this quote: Juan Pedro Sánchez, 25, who lives in Madrid and weighed in on the Twitter discussion, criticized those who responded negatively, saying the concept of race and ethnicity varies according to where you are. He said Spaniards were all too quick to point out that they’re white. “A lot of people in Spain are bothered if others confuse them for Latin American because Spaniards see Latinos as people of color, and they don’t want to be associated with that,” Sánchez tells NPR." > **[Why Labeling Antonio Banderas A 'Person Of Color' Triggers Such A Backlash](https://www.npr.org/2020/02/09/803809670/why-labeling-antonio-banderas-a-person-of-color-triggers-such-a-backlash)** > > When media called him one of the few actors of color nominated for an Oscar, many Spaniards mocked the term or got angry. The whole mixed races thing… is still a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16153 "2020-06-18T07:10:51Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Far-right militia groups are now protecting statues of Spanish Conquistadors? The Spanish Conquistadors were imperialistic racist slavers and looters; exactly the sort of people the militias _admire._ The Conquistadors basically represent what they and the Right in general would like to have for a foreign policy;\* conquer, loot, enslave, kill.\* ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16154 "2020-06-18T08:27:55Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > [Felony murder and 10 other charges for former-Officer Rolfe](https://apnews.com/f3c3747e6d8c0bd63ba7c57c6d363868?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow). I guess the DA disagrees with all the bullshit attempts to justify the shooting. Let’s hope the state has the balls (and the appropriate evidence) to make the charges stick. The most important revelation to me was about the taser. According to the DA, not only was Brooks too far away for the taser to reach the cops when he pointed it at them, but it had already been discharged, and the cops knew it. So they were not only not in a life-threatening situation, they were in no danger at all. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16155 "2020-06-18T08:49:34Z")
Basically, he shot him because he didn’t feel like running. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16156 "2020-06-18T21:19:36Z")
Portland police union has authorized their members to cover up their name tags and badge numbers during protests. > **[Police Leaders Say Portland Officers Can Cover Nametags At Protests](https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-tag-badge/#.XuqABLfdrNQ.twitter)** > > Portland police leadership says officers can cover their names and badge numbers during protests, potentially creating new issues for protesters who want to identify officers who have mistreated them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16157 "2020-06-18T21:24:53Z")
The union, or the chief? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16158 "2020-06-18T21:27:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The union, or the chief? Yeah, thanks for the correction, it was the former chief, who is no longer the chief. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16159 "2020-06-18T21:45:51Z")
But he gave it while he was still chief. It’s a shitty decision, but at least the chain of command is still being followed. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16160 "2020-06-18T22:18:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Portland police union has authorized their members to cover up their name tags and badge numbers during protests. > [Police Leaders Say Portland Officers Can Cover Nametags At Protests - OPB](https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-tag-badge/#.XuqABLfdrNQ.twitter) For some odd reason, I really do not believe the union has the authority to authorize a police officer to do that. Now they certainly may encourage it, but I think the only person who has the authority to do that would be someone in the superivision chain, say the chief of the department. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16161 "2020-06-18T22:36:52Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > For some odd reason, I really do not believe the union has the authority to authorize a police officer to do that. Now they certainly may encourage it, but I think the only person who has the authority to do that would be someone in the superivision chain, say the chief of the department. Yeay, my original comment was wrong, it was the then-police chief. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/16162 "2020-06-23T16:37:19Z")
They “quit” the SWAT team they were assigned to (refusal to do their job, insubordination, mutiny) but are still drawing paychecks? Oh hell no. Fire their asses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=807) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=809)