# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1601 "2015-04-10T11:10:41Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Stealing a horse was a hanging offense not all that long ago. Yet these days it’s hard to get a stolen car investigated. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1602 "2015-04-10T12:04:38Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Stealing a horse was a hanging offense not all that long ago. So was witchcraft. Are you realizing that you’re acting like an idiot yet? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1603 "2015-04-10T13:58:40Z")
Fortunately for **get lives** , being a complete idiot isn’t a hanging offense nowadays either. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1604 "2015-04-10T14:05:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yeah, well we used to _hang_ horse thieves. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Stealing a horse was a hanging offense not all that long ago. How stupid. Are you both justifying what these cops did? If not, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1605 "2015-04-10T14:51:40Z")
[Surviving a [del]Bear[/del] Police Encounter](https://thenib.com/surviving-a-police-encounter-308ed3ca3dbb). ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1606 "2015-04-10T15:00:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Fortunately for **get lives** , being a complete idiot isn’t a hanging offense nowadays either. > > Regards, > Shodan Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1607 "2015-04-10T15:09:11Z")
Do you sometimes get the feeling that someone on your side of the argument isn’t _really_ on your side of the argument and is just trying to make your side look stupid? Yeah, I’m calling false flag on **get lives**. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1608 "2015-04-10T15:28:25Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > [Surviving a [del]Bear[/del] Police Encounter](https://thenib.com/surviving-a-police-encounter-308ed3ca3dbb). My friend drew this. So interesting to see it spread across the web. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1609 "2015-04-10T15:40:51Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Do you sometimes get the feeling that someone on your side of the argument isn’t _really_ on your side of the argument and is just trying to make your side look stupid? Yeah, I’m calling false flag on **get lives**. We don’t want him either. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1610 "2015-04-10T15:49:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > We don’t want him either. > > Regards, > Shodan That’ll work for me. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1611 "2015-04-10T15:50:39Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Do you sometimes get the feeling that someone on your side of the argument isn’t _really_ on your side of the argument and is just trying to make your side look stupid? Yeah, I’m calling false flag on **get lives**. I don’t strive to be part of a side. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1612 "2015-04-10T15:53:15Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > I don’t strive to be part of a side. Of course not. You strive to make one side look as reactionary and ridiculous as possible. Good job. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1613 "2015-04-10T15:53:24Z")
You don’t have to be very smart to trend lefty. Two plus two equals four pretty much covers it. To be a Republican, however, that demands intellectual heft and creativity to fashion complex rationalizations for why the bleeding obvious just ain’t so. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1614 "2015-04-10T18:11:45Z")
[Restraint of Pregnant Inmates Is Said to Persist in New York Despite Ban](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/nyregion/retraint-of-pregnant-inmates-is-said-to-persist-in-new-york-despite-ban.html?ref=nyregion) Since 2000 it has been against department policy and since 2009 against the law to handcuff women in labor. Yet the practice continues. But the worst part is that official records say the women were not handcuffed. One wonders why, but I saw this embedded in the article: > [@](#): > > They provided trip itineraries that they said showed it was unlikely the women were restrained. These listed three officers going to the hospital, an extra person to make up for the lack of restraints. “Pregnant,” the form for Ms. Tinen states. “No cuffs. Extra coverage required.” I’m guessing that the “extra person” is actually getting a nice break away from the routine of prison guarding. I’m not a woman, but I can’t imagine a women in labor being able to escape a prison guard and run to freedom while giving birth and wearing a hospital gown. Handcuffing them is probably akin to the handcuffing of corpses that they do. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1615 "2015-04-10T18:24:37Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > How stupid. Are you both justifying what these cops did? If not, what’s your point? Trying to see it from the perspective of the participants. There is a huge negative connotation to “horse thief”, perhaps the idea of it made these cops really really angry. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1616 "2015-04-10T18:24:43Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Of course not. You strive to make one side look as reactionary and ridiculous as possible. Good job. I don’t strive for anything in particular. Opinions lead to tribalism, and I feel too much pain over injustices committed by any group I’m a self-described member of to want to voluntarily call myself a member of any group. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1617 "2015-04-10T18:29:50Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Trying to see it from the perspective of the participants. There is a huge negative connotation to “horse thief”, perhaps the idea of it made these cops really really angry. Maybe they need anger management classes? Police work needs to be done with a cool head. And the last time horse thievery actually deserved its former extremely negative reputation was nearly a century ago. Way to stay current, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Ionizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5daacb/32.png) [@Ionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ionizer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1618 "2015-04-10T19:55:40Z")
[Here’s one that just popped up on Newser](http://www.newser.com/story/205245/disturbing-video-shows-deputies-pummeling-man.html). A fleeing suspect, in San Berbardino County, CA, eventually got caught after stealing car then a horse and going into a canyon-like area, and was laying prone ‘spread eagle’ as if in surrender (after being Tased?). It appears that there was zero attempt to take him into actual custody as appropriate until around 11 deputiess had gotten in at least 37 kicks, punches, and baton slams (per story anyways). Story says it appears at least 13 of the ‘strikes’ appear to be to suspect’s head alone! It does sound good that the Sheriff is rather disturbed by what the news helicopter caught on footage. Bet they say he was resisting whenever his body moved during the assualt. It looks like he was held down so others could pummel him, rather than try to cuff him and take control until after the beating went on awhile. Kinda sick that a few LEO’s are standing back watching this apparently unfazed by what was happening, but possibly they wanted to distance themselvess from what they knew was wrong (?). We’ll see where this goes as far as what the LEO’s say their reason was for the beatdown rather than restraing him upon his surrendering and treating him as a typical ‘prisoner in custody’. ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1619 "2015-04-10T20:18:42Z")
> [@Ionizer](#): > > [Here’s one that just popped up on Newser](http://www.newser.com/story/205245/disturbing-video-shows-deputies-pummeling-man.html). A fleeing suspect, in San Berbardino County, CA, eventually got caught after stealing car then a horse and going into a canyon-like area, and was laying prone ‘spread eagle’ as if in surrender (after being Tased?). It appears that there was zero attempt to take him into actual custody as appropriate until around 11 deputiess had gotten in at least 37 kicks, punches, and baton slams (per story anyways). Story says it appears at least 13 of the ‘strikes’ appear to be to suspect’s head alone! > > It does sound good that the Sheriff is rather disturbed by what the news helicopter caught on footage. Bet they say he was resisting whenever his body moved during the assualt. It looks like he was held down so others could pummel him, rather than try to cuff him and take control until after the beating went on awhile. Kinda sick that a few LEO’s are standing back watching this apparently unfazed by what was happening, but possibly they wanted to distance themselvess from what they knew was wrong (?). > > We’ll see where this goes as far as what the LEO’s say their reason was for the beatdown rather than restraing him upon his surrendering and treating him as a typical ‘prisoner in custody’. Dude, contact 'Newser" whatever that is and tell them to read the last two pages @ The Dope. Mayhaps they’ll catch on. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1620 "2015-04-10T21:18:19Z")
Feel good story ends on a down note. Read the first comment also. > **[Interview: How Samir Hill Crossed Up Two Philly Cops and Became a Vine Legend](https://www.complex.com/sports/2015/04/interview-samir-hill-basketball-crossed-up-two-cops)** > > “Two days ago, they were trying to arrest me.” We interviewed the kid who crossed up two Philadelphia police officers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=82)