# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942 "2014-10-10T07:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1781 "2015-04-14T19:28:54Z")
DFTT ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1782 "2015-04-14T19:29:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Is there anything about this story that you _will_ actually take a position on? That when you talk about it you are full of shit? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1783 "2015-04-14T19:30:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You don’t have to be an MD to know that “medical marijuana”, in all its forms, is and has never been anything other than a line of BS being pushed by snake oil peddlers People, do you not realize you are being trolled by Smapti? Seriously? never feed a troll, it just gets bigger and will never leave. or stop posting. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1784 "2015-04-14T19:33:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, the dogs don’t choose to be violent or uncooperative, and yet it’s still ok to shoot them. Hardly less so with people who choose to do so. So failure to cooperate should be a capital crime. O-_kay_, then. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1785 "2015-04-14T19:34:58Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So failure to cooperate should be a capital crime. > > O-_kay_, then. Already clarified, but thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1786 "2015-04-14T19:35:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Is there anything about this story that you _will_ actually take a position on? I can only go by the article. For now I’ll assume the prosecutors’ understanding is better than yours (with the understanding that we won’t know for sure until a trial), and I’ll take a position that **Smapti** continually talks out his ass, makes things up, and posts irrationally and unreasonable with no capability for objectivity regarding law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1787 "2015-04-14T20:46:01Z")
[Former Philadelphia narcotics cop admits to planting evidence for up to 15 years](http://gawker.com/ex-philly-drug-cop-admits-to-taking-cash-and-planting-e-1697799118). If I was a prosecutor in Philly, I’d be pissed right now. More than 160 convictions have been overturned. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1788 "2015-04-14T20:59:29Z")
Oh yeah, it’s the prosecutor who should be mad. Not the 160 victims of wrongful, illegal arrests and convictions against innocent people. Or the taxpayers who were paying “cops”, who were actually criminals breaking the law and violating everything American. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1789 "2015-04-14T21:16:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh yeah, it’s the prosecutor who should be mad. Not the 160 victims of wrongful, illegal arrests and convictions against innocent people. Or the taxpayers who were paying “cops”, who were actually criminals breaking the law and violating everything American. Ugh. Of course, I feel for all those who were imprisoned, and that these scumbags were able to get away with it for so long. But, I was just relating to the profession, and how upsetting it would be to see all of your convictions (even those that were “correct”) overturned because of some pieces of shit who now call your work into question. But, feel free to think that just because I didn’t specifically name all wronged parties, I don’t have sympathy for them. I just assumed it was a given, since I’m, well… human. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1790 "2015-04-14T21:59:15Z")
I wonder how many innocent young people took a plea bargain to avoid jail time, and paid hefty fines? And now have a record. And some people still actually wonder why cops are mistrusted, and even hated, in principle. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1791 "2015-04-14T22:02:05Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > I just assumed it was a given, since I’m, well… human. :rolleyes: Not really a safe assumption. **Smapti** ’s a human, after all, and look at him. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1792 "2015-04-14T22:05:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not really a safe assumption. **Smapti** ’s a human, after all, and look at him. Does anyone actually believe he is human? Could be an annoying goddamn troll bot for all the warmth and humanity it’s fucking troll posts generate. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1793 "2015-04-14T22:08:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not really a safe assumption. **Smapti** ’s a human, after all, and look at him. Fair enough. I just figured that (while I’m far from a prolific poster), I’ve said enough where a “profile” could be somewhat established of me, or at the very least, if I held “extreme” views, they’d be noticed by now. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1794 "2015-04-14T23:13:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Good. Maybe he’ll have a better chance at success now that he’s out of the hands of a woo-believing snake oil peddler. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So you’re a medical practitioner now? No, he’s not: [Cannabis induces a clinical response in patients with Crohn’s disease: a prospective placebo-controlled study.](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648372/). Secondary sources available via your favorite search engine. Smapti: your factual track record in the pit isn’t very good, as far as I can tell. We’re here to fight ignorance, not enable it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1795 "2015-04-14T23:20:46Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > We’re here to fight ignorance, not enable it. Well, some of us are here to fight the good fight. Some are just desperate for attention. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1796 "2015-04-14T23:59:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You don’t have to be an MD to know that “medical marijuana”, in all its forms, is and has never been anything other than a line of BS being pushed by snake oil peddlers and by unscrupulous types willing to take advantage of any backdoor they can find to legalize it for recreational use. > > (And I have _absolutely nothing_ against legalizing marijuana for recreational use, but pretending that it’s medicine in order to do so is just plain dishonest.) You are being intentionally obtuse. I agree that the system is being taken advantage of, but marijuana has quite a few known, legitimate medical uses Here is link from the lefty rag, Business Insider: [Health Effects of Medical Marijuana - Business Insider](http://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4) It is being used to treat Alzheimer’s disease (slows the progression) Glaucoma (lowers intraocular pressure) Cancer (slows the spreading) Epilepsy (prevents epileptic seizures) Arthritis (alleviates pain, reduces inflammation, and promotes sleep) Lupus (calming effect on the immune system) Parkinson’s Disease (significantly reduces pain and tremors and improves sleep) Dravet Syndrome (severe seizure disorder), one user, a child, went from 300 seizures _a week_ to just one every seven days. And of course, it is well known that marijuana fights nausea and promotes appetite during chemotherapy. > [@](#): > > [Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s chief medical correspondent,](http://www.businessinsider.com/sanjay-gupta-changed-his-mind-on-weed-2014-4) says he was wrong to ignore marijuana’s medical potential when he wrote an opinion piece in 2009 called “Why I would Vote No on Pot.” And no, \*\*\*I \*\*\*do not use it for any reason. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1797 "2015-04-15T01:21:28Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Y > And of course, it is well known that\*\* marijuana\*\* fights nausea and **promotes appetite** during chemotherapy. I had a housemate back in 1970 who would proclaim he had the marijuana munchies or the hash hungries. Hash, like marijuana, has THC as an active ingredient. I couldn’t say this of my own knowledge, but I’ve heard and read about the phenomenon for years. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1798 "2015-04-15T02:00:51Z")
My position is that if marijuana truly has medical value, then it should be regulated like any other prescription drug and not allowed for recreational use. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1799 "2015-04-15T02:08:20Z")
I say it should be sold in most stores, next to the aspirin and ibuprofen. But not in the same aisle as the booze. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942/1800 "2015-04-15T03:55:32Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Does anyone actually believe he is human? There are [differing opinions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17877437&postcount=936) on that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread/700942.md?page=91)