No, there isn’t; that’s why it’s in the “Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians” thread and not the “Non-controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians” thread.
I didn’t invoke any reason for the shooting, did I? No, I didn’t. I didn’t proclaim that racism was at the heart of anything, I was pointing out facts; facts that have become all too commonplace in the US and, lately, in the news. Facts that you’d like to ignore.
Nothing in my post indicates that I’ve made up my mind about things here, but your previous post certainly seems to indicates that you’ve reached a conclusion. In fact, my post didn’t indict either of the people involved, but your post certainly did seem to indict one of them and acquit the other.
Did you buy your Jump To Conclusions Mat yourself, or was it a gift?
And why do you think those facts are in any way relevant? Do we typically allow white people to drive their cars through the front of buildings and assault police with impunity?
It sounds like he was either drunk or high on drugs–and that could have made him belligerent and fighting instead of obeying the policy officer. Note the police officer who shot him was a rookie.
Kinda strange case. The police chief refused to turn over paperwork to the prosecutor, but the shooter’s fellow officers at the scene didn’t back up his story.
Good to know that you think a 7-fold discrepancy is cause for relief.
Well not really.
If this trend continues, are you going to be upset in two years when white men are 7x more likely to be killed by police?
(See, to help you with your perception of the trend: last year = 14x; this year (and it’s only several weeks more than half over) = 7x; next year will be zero; and then if this trend continues, two years from now it will be -7x. You’re right, Smapti, that’s amazing progress!)
Yes, specifically the part of black culture that means young black men are several times more likely to commit violent crime than any other group, as has been exhaustively discussed and proven in this and several other threads.
The figures were cited as 6-10 times more likely, and one source had 14 times. That police response is at the lower end of proportionate should not be considered a problem.
So, because you say that young black men as a demographic group commit crimes at a rate 6-14 times higher than other groups, in your view, the police should be killing individual, unarmed black men at the same rate.
Just to be safe.
Got it.
I think iiandyii asked you at what rate would it become unacceptable, or a “problem”, as you put it, to shoot unarmed black men?
The difference between me and Steophan on this, IIRC, was that the disparity that I find concerning enough to suspect a significant possibility of some sort of mistreatment is significantly lower than the disparity that would cause Steophan to start to suspect that there might be a significant possibility of some sort of mistreatment, but I don’t recall that we drilled down to a specific number on his part.
But, let’s say young black males are charged with crimes at a rate 100x higher than other groups, according to Steophan’s reasoning unarmed black males should be expected to be killed at a similar rate.
But the some of the unarmed black men in the Post’s article were in their 40’s, so they’re not the demographic committing violent crimes he’s referring to and they must have learned some wisdom with regard to interacting with the police to survive to “old age”.
And I don’t know if he’s differentiating between “young black males who commit violent crime” [at a rate 6-14 higher than other groups] and “unarmed black men” [who are killed at a rate 7x higher than whites], because the latter was the subject of the Post article.
“Unarmed” and “committing a violent crime” are not mutually exclusive.
That someone is unarmed does not mean that they can’t be a threat to life or limb, and so be killed in self defence.
As for “some of the black men being killed being in their forties”, how many? Was it a disproportionate amount? Have any of the investigations shown that the killings were unjustified?
Brief article but no video at that page for me. When I search the site I see the story and video as a link, but it just takes me to the page you linked, still sans video.
I scroll down a bit and successfully click a video on the left. The cop blames cop’s fear for citizen mistreatment, calling some other cops “pussies.”
He also thinks police obejectives should be crime reduction and problem-solving, rather than number of arrests. There are so many crimes that can be charged that it is easy to make arrests; many are in effect arrested just “for being black.”.