Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

And then there’s this: x.com

Is it bad that my first thought was, “Heh, if they fuck up and murder someone, there might actually be some justice.”?

I’m a little confused. Did the father shoot a different guy?

Notice how the poster mentions ‘Mental Health Emergency’? God damn the police are the wrong group to call if somebody is in crisis.

The NRA has finally commented on Philando Castile (more or less), through Dana Loesch, who claims that she is speaking officially for the organization.

from the article Rick Kitchen posted:

As a person who has been (very) critical of the NRA, I wholly endorse the attempt to educate citizens and law enforcement on the ins and outs of carrying guns. NRA Carry Guard is a nice start. But it’s basic membership (which is mostly legal insurance) is $160 - $360 a year, and classes run $850 each. I realize life is expensive, but I wish that an organization with the resources of the NRA could find a way to make it more accessible to more people. And I didn’t see anything about reaching out to law enforcement on the website.

As I said, I think it’s a step in the right direction, but it seems to be only one step.

mc

Who else has been effective at protecting second amendment rights from batshit crazy ideas like assault weapons bans?

“This is why we have this paid program to teach people how it works” is not a really effective answer or message. It is shilling for their program.

Too little, far too late.

What do we want? Dead Cops!!! When do we want it? Now!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8 Plenty of video of BLM marches with people chanting some pretty inciteful stuff but this is probably the most explicit.

“Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know.” -deleted tweet of Tef Poe “the voice of BLM”

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/michael-brown-stepfather-video/index.html -
Michael Brown’s father saying “burn this bitch down” when the police officer was acquitted.

You have yet to say what the NRA did besides remain silent about the shooting of a black man. The fact that I am disappointed in them for their silence seems to mean that I have to immediately abandon them and to hell with my second amendment rights.

Your infatuation with an organization that has used and incited violence to promote its agenda is really hard to understand. It seems pretty clear that BLM was willing to use the threat of riots to try and advance their cause and it wasn’t until the violence did more harm than good to their cause that they stopped it. They always had the power to stop it but they didn’t as long as the violence and the threat of violence was useful to their ends.

Well, better late than never, but it does seem a bit late.

Best wishes, Damuri Ajashi. I hope you’ll stop attributing any bad thing any black protester says or does to BLM as a whole, but so far you’ve shown no inclination or likelihood of doing so. I see no point in engaging with you further on this.

No that’s the guy he shot. It’s just my tin hat theory, but I’m of the opinion that the NAACP (Who was really hot and heavy over this initially.) bailed when they actually saw that this blue-eyed brother was a little too pass-white for them to care.

IOW, he’s black but not black enough for the NAACP.

Police will also make your life hell if you stop them from killing a leashed animal on your own property.

That story has all the parts of our legal system conspiring to be assholes, doesn’t it?

From that story:

If that isn’t the perfect example of why police training needs to be revamped.

“Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know.” -deleted tweet of Tef Poe “the voice of BLM” Am I to attribute all the bad stuff as personal activity and all the good stuff as organizational activity?

I posted a video where the whole goddam march seems to be chanting they want dead cops. That seems sort of violent to me.

Do I need quote every member of BLM saying violent racist things to label them a violent organization?

Heck Hamas is mostly a humanitarian organization with a fraction of its membership devoted to wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Can’t we attribute the stuff that tiny fraction does to the whole organization or should we focus on the good stuff they do instead?

I don’t think BLM is anywhere near as violent as Hamas but then again there is not a functional democracy in Palestine, for all intents and purposes, its occupied territory. But they incite violence and exploit the public’s fear of violence to try and get things (maybe even good and laudable things) that they otherwise might not get. I think I can make an argument that the pointed threats of rioting might have gotten police department across the country to adopt body cams sooner than they otherwise might have and I think that is a favorable result; but I also think that some of the speed with which they were able to achieve the ubiquity of body cams was under threat of violence.

If in the face of these threats of violence by BLM leadership, you don’t think that BLM is a violent organization, what exactly would it take to make you consider BLM a violent organization? When you ignore this evidence of violence from BLM and keep saying that BLM is not a violent organization, it makes me wonder if there is anything you wouldn’t tolerate in the name of pursuing the agenda that BLM is trying to pursue.

I think BLM is redeemable and the fact that they have not had riots at any recent events shows they might have turned over a new leaf but it also shows that they could have prevented the violence at prior events as well by toning down the rhetoric and controlling participation by more violent elements of their movement. But like I said, I think they found violence and the threat of violence a useful tool earlier in the history of the movement and find it to be detrimental to the movement now.

I dunno. I think they would be involved if someone killed a really tan white dude if the murderer did it because they thought the white dude was black. I suspect there is something we don’t know.

Just out of interest, do you have any actual evidence that they “bailed”? What would that mean, in this case?

I’ve decided that I’m the voice of the NRA, and as the voice of the NRA, I’ve decided that the rights of black people are inferior. I’ve also convinced a handful of my fellows to go to an NRA event and chant that Democratic politicians should be killed, and we record this on video (before being chased away by other protesters). We’ll probably also mess up some shit on our way out. We’re going to do this a few times because we’re the voice of the NRA and that’s what the NRA does. There will be lots of pretty videos.

I’m sure this will be enough for folks like Damuri Ajashi to decide that the NRA isn’t worth supporting any more.

Does anybody know if this is true? or was the cop just trying to move the blame off himself?

mc

just found this on a gun message board discussing the same article last year.

a self described state trooper says this

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No. Not once in the state academy or FTO was I ever trained to shoot dogs that weren’t an immediate threat. . . I see several issues. The trooper drawing his gun upon seeing the dog backs up and doesn’t immediately shoot, which is good. Given additional time without having the girl step in front of a drawn gun (very stupid and dangerous), he might have simply re-holstered once he determined the dog wasn’t a threat. Now we’ll never know. The bad I see is that the trooper did a piss poor job of managing the contact. He turned his back on the dog and other subjects, all while physically engaging the girl with a drawn gun. It’s unavoidable in some cases, but this wasn’t one of them. He had another trooper right next to him that didn’t have his gun drawn. That trooper should’ve been the one to take control of the girl for her own safety. . .

IF, all they did was arrest the girl for obstruction, I see no reason for them to enter the premises and seize property without a warrant. No exigent circumstances existed and a half decent attorney should’ve been able to get the phones and cameras back within a few days. This is an excellent example as to why Apple shouldn’t unlock phones owned and password protected by citizens. Had these folks given up their passwords, I doubt this video would still exist. Call me a cynic, but there’s just too much we’ve seen that causes concern in this respect.
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it’s nice to hear an officer talk like this -

mc