Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

You can’t intentionally or negligently shoot sleeping children. You can quite legally do so if it’s neither of those things.

I really don’t understand why people have to think that things like this are vast conspiracies to let people get away with murdering children, rather than tragic accidents. But then, I don’t understand the conspiracy theory mindset generally.

What vast conspiracy are you talking about? The system itself encourages, aids, and protects prosecutor and police misconduct. That doesn’t mean there’s some vast conspiracy. That just means it’s not a good system.

Police unions do function as a conspiracy, though, often after the fact. That cop that accidentally shot the guy in the Brooklyn housing project called his union rep before doing anything else immediately after the shooting. Not his boss, not an ambulance. That’s so far from OK that I think it’sgood evidence of negligent homicide in and of itself.

It must be nice to live in a place where you don’t have to fear the police. Tell me about that.

Well yes, it is. But nothing I’ve read in this thread or elsewhere makes me thing that there’d be any reason for me to fear the police in America either.

Tell me how it’s “murder in cold blood”.

Get help, please, dude. Your responses are indicative of severe emotional problems.

It’s worth noting that prosecutor Kym Worthy is a black woman.

Are you so absolutely certain that your worldview is the only correct one, and so self-evidently right, that anyone who disagrees with you must be mentally ill?

Or do you simply not have any proof that the police intentionally and maliciously intended to kill a sleeping child?

No, just you.

Technically speaking a killing made in fear, panic, and recklessness is not really the same as killing in cold blood. So, I’d have to examine the circumstances more closely to decide which one it was.

There’s no “technically” about it.

Killing in “cold blood” has some definite implications regarding intent and circumstances.

Anybody who uses in “cold blood” willy nilly to describe any death that happens to be unfortunate or tragic is a moron.

Even a killing based on racial hatred is not a killing in cold blood.

I don’t care much if it was murder or negligent homicide. It was done to a child with my tax money, and that makes me responsible. Why don’t you get that? If you pay for something, you bear responsibility for the results. Good government is not achieved by the citizenry having minimum input into the behavior of government officials.

It was slight hyberbole. Go peddle your racist bullshit elsewhere.

Well, if you don’t say what you mean…

How can unintentionally shooting a sleeping child not in some way be negligent? Either there is some obscure grey area folded up in the eight dimension of the universe, or you need to go back and learn how this “English” thing works.

Well, let’s look at the incident I assume get_lives was referencing.

Short version; The police raided an apartment where a man who had shot and killed a high school senior earlier that day was now hiding, and during the raid, an officer’s gun discharged accidentally and struck and killed a child sleeping on the couch. The officer claimed that a woman later identified as the victim’s grandmother grabbed at his gun as he was entering the room and caused it to fire; the grandmother denied grabbing at the gun and her fingerprints could not later be identified on it. There were no other immediate witnesses to the shooting. The officer was tried twice for involuntary manslaughter and both ended in a mistrial due to deadlocked juries, and the prosecutor eventually dropped the charges.

If events occurred as the officer says they did, then he is blameless and there was no negligence on his part.

If she grabbed the gun, then why were her fingerprints not found on it? Why would you default to believing the cop if her fingerprints weren’t on the gun?

And that’s why I say you should be getting some help. That’s not a normal human reaction.

Believe it or not, it’s not particularly easy to leave an identifiable fingerprint on a metal surface, especially if the contact occurs during a scuffle.

One party was a sworn law enforcement officer engaging in lawful pursuit of a suspect in a criminal murder. The other was sheltering that murderer.

Well, since you’re apparently so preeminently qualified to judge what “normal human reactions” are, why don’t you just cut out the middle man and diagnose me with a condition recognized by the DSM-V yourself?

Racist bullshit? From billfish678? Where? I missed it. Most likely because it didn’t happen, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.