The police are shooting at people that are standing on their own porches in Minneapolis. What the fuckity fuck fuck is going on here?
A police riot , that’s what. They’re angry that people are complaining about being murdered and are lashing out at everyone. Those people on their porches are not the police, therefore they are the enemy and must be punished.
Der_Trihs:
A police riot , that’s what. They’re angry that people are complaining about being murdered and are lashing out at everyone. Those people on their porches are not the police, therefore they are the enemy and must be punished.
Interesting how, by just changing a few words, this describes the Amy Cooper situation well.
The link is the unwillingness to admit you did something wrong, when caught in the act by someone society has given you power over .
conspiracy theory : person seen busting the glass on an AutoZone (leading to looting) is actually outed as an off-duty police officer.
no dirty tricks going on here, no, none at all
Well, along with IOWRDI we now have IOWCDI. It’s a natural progression.
I agree with your sentiment, but you are slightly overly broad.
Those who show up to the protests to protest against police brutality and racial inequality are very brave.
Those who show up for other reasons are POS.
Gotta show the population who is boss.
mhendo
May 31, 2020, 4:18pm
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There’s an interesting op-ed in the Boston Globe by Laurence Tribe and Albert Goins. I’m not familiar with Goins, although the story notes that he’s a criminal lawyer with extensive experience dealing with police misconduct in Minnesota. Tribe is one of the nation’s best-known legal scholars.
They are very worried that the third-degree murder charge against Chauvin is likely to result in the dismissal of that charge by the judge. Mineesota’s third-degree murder charge, according to Tribe and Goins, is:
That is, the charge is explicitly designed to deal with situations where the deadly force was not intentionally aimed at the particular person who died. Because Chauvin had his knee directly on Floyd’s neck, it is clear that Chauvin was aiming his actions directly at Floyd, making a third-degree murder charge inappropriate under the statue.
Tribe and Goins further note that:
They believe that a second-degree felony murder charge is much more appropriate in this situation, and they call for the Minnesota governor to replace the local prosecutor with the State Attorney General in the case.
k9bfriender:
I agree with your sentiment, but you are slightly overly broad.
Those who show up to the protests to protest against police brutality and racial inequality are very brave.
Those who show up for other reasons are POS.
Gotta show the population who is boss.
I’m seeing a whole lot of “Respect my authoritah!” going on.
Oughtta go for it. Might even have a witness for the prosecution lining up in the bullpen.
Chauvin’s wife filed for divorce a couple of days ago .
Protester viciously attacks police officer’s foot.
A VICE reporter was thrown to the ground holding his press pass over his head, a Minneapolis cop casually walked by and sprayed him in the face. The cop wasn’t even one of those who had thrown him to the ground.
eschereal the seriously twisted:
conspiracy theory : person seen busting the glass on an AutoZone (leading to looting) is actually outed as an off-duty police officer.
no dirty tricks going on here, no, none at all
Cop or not, he was pretty clearly not there to do anything but start shit.
Tim_T-Bonham.net:
Obviously, there can’t be a cite until the autopsy report & toxicology report is done, in a week or so.
But the preliminary autopsy does state that George Floyd was not suffocated or asphyxiated, and that there was no trauma to his airway.
There’s no “preliminary autopsy.” There’s just an autopsy, with (for now) preliminary findings. See page 3 of this PDF:
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
Here is “Traumatic asphyxiation” :
Traumatic asphyxia, or Perthes’s syndrome, is a medical emergency caused by an intense compression of the thoracic cavity, causing venous back-flow from the right side of the heart into the veins of the neck and the brain.
Nobody anywhere has claimed this is what happened to Floyd, so it’s not surprising that an autopsy would not find signs of that.
The claim is that Floyd died due to positional asphyxia:
Positional asphyxia, also known as postural asphyxia, is a form of asphyxia which occurs when someone’s position prevents the person from breathing adequately. Positional asphyxia may be a factor for people who die suddenly in a hog-tie restraint by police, prison (corrections) officers, military or health care staff.
Risk factors which may increase the chance of death include prolonged (particularly resisted) restraint, obesity, prior cardiac or respiratory problems, and the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine. Other issues in the way the subject is restrained can also increase the risk of death, for example kneeling or otherwise placing weight on the subject and particularly any type of restraint hold around the subject’s neck. Research measuring the effect of restraint positions on lung function suggests that restraint which involves bending the restrained person or placing body weight on them has more effect on their breathing than face-down positioning alone.
From Matt Yglesias:
"Black officers and white officers behave similarly in white or integrated neighborhoods.
But when working in heavily black neighborhoods, a white officer is five times more likely to use force as a black one."
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1267147247030075394
And:
“Bigger racial disparity in arrests when there’s a white sheriff than a black sheriff”
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1267146496727801856
Independent autopsy of George Floyd contradicts official report
*By ASSOCIATED PRESS
mhendo
June 1, 2020, 9:26pm
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Regarding the autopsy and the idiotic and unsupported claim made by one person in this thread that “the cause of death seems to be a drug overdose,” it’s worth looking at this discussion of the charging document by former state and federal prosecutor, Elie Honig.
Honig says, among other things:
The complaint notes that “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
“Restrained” is a charitable way to describe what Chauvin did to Floyd on video; most would call that something closer to “crushed” or at least “pinned down.” And in my 14 years as a prosecutor (or my 45 years of life), I’ve never heard of a “potential intoxicant.” Did Floyd have intoxicants in his system or not? A basic toxicology test should answer that question conclusively, and there is no excuse for prosecutors to not know the answer, or to state it ambiguously, four days after Floyd’s death. In any event, even if intoxicants and health conditions somehow contributed to Floyd’s death, it does not matter legally. So long as Chauvin’s actions were even a contributory cause of Floyd’s death, then Chauvin is legally responsible. If Floyd would be alive if not for Chauvin’s actions, then Chauvin can be convicted.
More generally, Honig makes the point that the charging document seems to try and make Floyd seem more threatening, and to downplay some of the warnings that police had about his condition.
For example:
the prosecutors inexplicably omit some of the most important lines Floyd uttered in the video: “Don’t kill me,” and “I’m about to die.” Floyd’s statements are particularly crucial because they unequivocally put Chauvin on notice that Floyd was in mortal danger – yet Chauvin continued kneeling on his neck.
The complaint also goes out of its way to note the Floyd was over 6 feet tall, and weighed over 200 pounds (irrelevant), and that Floyd “actively resisted being handcuffed,” which is not only unconfirmed, but which is also irrelevant to what happened AFTER he was in handcuffs and under police control.
Cop Involved in Fatal Louisville Shooting Mocked Protester in Facebook Post
Folacin
June 2, 2020, 12:19pm
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As a white male, it is nice to know that being an asshole cop isn’t limited to my demographic.
The Australian Embassy is demanding an investigation into DC police attacking Australian reporters.