Oh, and when you convert, it will be your duty to murder me, as well. I have insulted Islam and the “prophet” Mohamed to the point of comparing him to L. Ron Hubbard. So now you must kill me! Good luck with that plan.
A proportion of your opinions are, in my humble opinion, somewhat strongly worded.
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What an interesting religion…and so many enlightened ideas, yet they still believe that homosexuality is an affliction to be gotten over. They were so close to actually being really cool. At least they seem to think homosexuality is a problem similar to drinking too much or being promicuous, not some soul-killing, baby-eating level offense.
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God didn’t write anything,where is your proof?
Everything written, taught, or thought is purely human(that can be proven). You can ‘believe’ God wrote something or used people, but I could also state that God told me he didn’t write or tell anyone to write, or use them to write anything, One can believe me or not. We believe what we want to be. That is why there are so many different beliefs about God( many conflicting beliefs).
If you agree that your argument is no different than a Muslims belief in the Koran, then you response doesn’t make sense to me.
Monavis
If God doesn’t reside anywhere than God is nowhere!
If God is a being then God would need a place. Unless God is also place.
It seems that no one really can decribe or know God, or anything about God except in their own minds, The Qur’aan is written by a human who’s ideas of God were written down and some believe him and some don’t, just like any other writings or statements. You choose to believe Muhammad and that is your right, if it helps you to be a better person and to the betterment of all existence than fine, that works for you, but it does not work for millions of others, and we should respect the right of others to have their beliefs as well as our selves, as they are just beliefs not facts.
We share a world together and for the sake of all on earth we should be willing to allow each person to have their own beliefs as long as their beliefs do not harm others or put another person down as less because we do not agree on how one worships a God or not.
Monavis
There is what you believe and there is the truth of God, which He is willing to reveal to people who seek Him, If you don’t mind I’ll take His Word over yours.
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If you agree that your argument is no different than a Muslims belief in the Koran, then you response doesn’t make sense to me.
Monavis
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Which was to this:
The part that you are missing is that the only way not to bring harm to other beings is to walk in the Spirit of God through acceptance of Jesus as Lord. Even isolating yourself harms people as God has work for you to do in other’s lives which you can not do in isolation.
So if you are really bringing no harm to other beings you have chosen to submit your way to His.
Briefly IMHO, and also what I believe was revealed to me by the Lord, Jesus wants a personal relationship with us. He wants to personally teach us His ways. And most importantly He wants no person, no man made rule between Himself and us - it is One to one, God to man. He does not want to have us to feel the need to go through a person (such as a priest, or believer friend) to get to Him, nor does He want some man made rule to interfere with what He wants us to do or go (such as holy days of obligation).
That’s not to say that various church denominations are bad, but they are just a step on the journey. I have found that the various churches have things of God mixed with things of man. But like everything else it is the condition of the heart that God looks at, and if we are seeking Him He will use those imperfect churches to guide us to His perfection.
There are so many scriptures, and they interconnect, but again in short there is true freedom in Jesus. As long as our heart is set on doing His work we can do all things through Christ who strengthen us, sometimes we must do certain things to reach the people He wants us to with His Love, those things, under Christ, we are permitted to do as they are forgiven.
Here are 2 scriptures that speak to this freedom from man made rules and rules enacted by angels:
The freedom, however, is just when we are doing the work of God. The additional good news is doing the work of God is awesome, and there is nothing like it.
I believe God may be leading me to write this and this may be one of the places where He would want me to post it.
If you agree that your argument is no different than a Muslims belief in the Koran, then you response doesn’t make sense to me.
Monavis
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Which was to this:
The part that you are missing is that the only way not to bring harm to other beings is to walk in the Spirit of God through acceptance of Jesus as Lord. Even isolating yourself harms people as God has work for you to do in other’s lives which you can not do in isolation.
So if you are really bringing no harm to other beings you have chosen to submit your way to His.
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Its probably been pointed out to you thousands of times so one more won’t hurt.
You have opinions, NOT facts.
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Your post is idiotic because there are millions of Muslims who do not think or act like that. Indonesia is the world’s most populous Muslim-majority nation and is not known for the things you mention. In fact, America has killed and is killing quite a bit with the purpose of spreding their culture and of defending their interests. If we are going to carelessly use broad brushes then we could just as well condemn Americans for being Americans as Muslims for being muslims. After all some Americans and some Muslims believe in spreading their culture by killing and violence.
There are, in fact, millions of nonfundamentalists and non-literalists in every religion. But somehow that tends to get overlooked in debates here.
Yeah and I’ve see Qi based Chinese medicine actually work, but you scoff about it. So I don’t discuss that with you. Just like every religious person you are certain that YOU are more right than the other guy. shrugs
Probably because most of the board would point out how there’s no such thing as “Qi” and trusting your life to medicine based on it is foolish. As for you “seeing it work”, you aren’t the first person to be fooled by a fraud.
I take what most of this board says with a grain of salt. You for instance comment more forcefully inversely proportional to how much you know about a subject. The less you know the stronger your opinion.
For you all confirmation bias is a sort of ‘God of the Gaps’. Everyone who believes something that you do not is a dupe. shrugs It’s quite narcissistic. Me, I am pragmatic I care about results, and if I feel great after getting acupuncture, I am not going to sit around trying to rationally convince myself that it did not work.
If you come to a message board asking for help deciding, then I would suggest that is enough evidence that you are not a true believer.
You’re dodging my point. My point is that religious discussions are all just wankery.
Say we were having a serious discussion about space exploration. Should we be launching manned or unmanned probes? Is it possible that we’ll find evidence of life on Mars? Do we have the technology to send a probe to nearby stars?
Then some guy shows up and starts talking about Star Trek. “If we want to explore the galaxy we need a warp drive!” he says.
What should we do? Should we expand our discussion of real space exploration to include the imaginary world of Star Trek? Or should we aggressively point out that warp drives are make-believe and have no role in real space exploration?
This is why us atheists keep harping on the basics. What’s the point of exploring any theological issue if they’re all make-believe? You might as well hang out in Cafe Society are argue whether or not Batman could beat up Superman. It might be a fun way to kill some time, but it’s not a Great Debate.
Right, which means that if you engage in them you are only being a troll. Which has been my point. So many atheists enter into religious discussions for no reason but to troll.
Different entirely as Christianity for instance is silent on spatial mechanics. If we are speaking of morality then Christianity has a place. However, in religious debates YOU would be the guy showing up to talk about Star Trek.
Right, since you have no respect for the subject matter why do you bother posting in religious threads, which you have clearly and definitively demonstrated that you have no place in.
I disagree with you, not respectfully, because respect is irrelevant as your baseline is contempt and derision. I see an use for religion, you do not, that’s fine. Don’t come in and start talking about Star Trek and I won’t come into your thread about Quantum Mechanics and talk about Jesus, which I don’t do. I am just asking why people from the other side feel the need to threadshit with their irrelevant opinions all the time?
This thread not being one because the OP invited you to comment on his choice.
Sort of like if you feel uplifted after praying to god you’re not going to bother wasting time of wondering if he exists or not? That’s great. But believing in Superman isn’t going to help you when you fall out of a high rise window, no matter how loud you yell for him.
Actually the Genesis account of the creation of the universe is demonstrably wrong. 
You misunderstand my metaphor. I’m not talking about someone showing up and changing the subject. I’m talking about someone talking about fictional entities as though they have a real-world existence.
Because if religion is grounded in error then it is not a particularly useful tool for determining things like morality or ethics.
Let’s return to my original metaphor about bodily humors and disease. That explanation for disease was wrong, but since it was loosely based on casual real-world observation it could occasionally produce useful results. The same is true with religion. It starts from faulty premises, but since it’s based on actual human behavior, it may sometimes give the right answer for the wrong reasons.
But … garbage in, garbage out. If you start with incorrect premises, you’ll be often be lead to incorrect conclusions. If God doesn’t exist then basing your morality on the mistaken impression that he does is a dangerous proposition. We only have to look at radical Islam to see how far such garbage can go.
No it isn’t. Thinking so is actually not terribly bright. Because you have to interpret it to say more than it actually says in order to debunk it. A silly endeavor to say the least.
As for acupuncture a friend of mine with horrible allergies can eat food that would’ve killed her in the past due to being conned. Good thing she didn’t run into you first eh?