# Convince me, PS4 or XBOX One **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 7, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359 "2013-11-07T21:00:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/41 "2013-11-13T17:04:39Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > So? This thread is about the PS4 versus the Xbox One. And Transistor has not been announced for the Xbox One yet (and may never be released on Microsoft’s console). > > Also, in a thread about PS4 and Xbox One… where the OP specifically asked the PC pushers to not push the PC… you did it anyway? Come on. I’m not “pushing” the PC, jeebus man. The OP said he was going to wait. You said, well Transistor is coming soon! Which I interpreted as: maybe you shouldn’t wait. I simply pointed out the fact that whatever the OP typed his OP on will run Transistor and so this particular game is probably not a reason to not wait. If he absolutely must play transistor on day one, he can do it on his 10 year old laptop or his $2,000 macbook. Eve with a gamepad if he wants that. On the other hand, yes, it might be a reason to choose PS4 over Xbone when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/42 "2013-11-13T18:17:10Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > The OP said he was going to wait. You said, well Transistor is coming soon! Which I interpreted as: maybe you shouldn’t wait. Maybe you should have interpreted it as “You should wait until Transistor comes out.” Which is, you know, what I said. > [@](#): > > I simply pointed out the fact that whatever the OP typed his OP on will run Transistor and so this particular game is probably not a reason to not wait. If he absolutely must play transistor on day one, he can do it on his 10 year old laptop or his $2,000 macbook. Eve with a gamepad if he wants that. Have you ever tried to play games on a budget box? It’s not quite that simple or guaranteed. Plus, Transistor will look much cooler on my 42" TV than it will on my half-broken 21" monitor. I’m guessing a lot of people are in that boat. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/43 "2013-11-13T18:25:29Z")
All the cool kids are doing it…smoking, too. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/44 "2013-11-13T18:58:22Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Maybe you should have interpreted it as “You should wait until Transistor comes out.” Which is, you know, what I said. > > Have you ever tried to play games on a budget box? It’s not quite that simple or guaranteed. Plus, Transistor will look much cooler on my 42" TV than it will on my half-broken 21" monitor. I’m guessing a lot of people are in that boat. The OP mentioned halfing a half-broken 21" monitor? Where? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/45 "2013-11-13T19:02:44Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I had both a 360 and a PS3 - I ended up selling the 360, mainly because I migrated more towards using the PS3 as a media hub. I sure miss that controller though… Anyway, I’m perplexed by Sony’s omission of DNLA support on the PS4, and why they continue to not make it IR-remote compatible. Yeah, I have an adapter for my PS3, but having to manually turn it on is a pain in the ass. Anyone know what possible reason Sony has for this? IR remotes are old news. My official PS3 remote is Bluetooth. Weirdly I still can’t seem to get out of the habit of pointing it at the PS3 despite having owned it for several years. Include me in the “waiting” crowd. I’ve gravitated towards PC gaming of late, mainly due to several badly bugged games on consoles that took forever to be patched (and in the case of Fallout: New Vegas still badly, badly bugged) but I have no doubt that exclusives will drag me in at some point. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/46 "2013-11-13T19:03:02Z")
Purchase of a PS4 includes $10 PSN voucher, free 30 day trial of PS+, free 30 day trial of Music Unlimited and a free humidor. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/47 "2013-11-13T19:16:18Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > Purchase of a PS4 includes $10 PSN voucher, free 30 day trial of PS+, free 30 day trial of Music Unlimited and a free humidor. I’m holding out for a free toaster. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/48 "2013-11-13T19:19:44Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > Sony Music Unlimited, Skype is on the Vita so maybe later on the PS4, PS4 has cloud game saves only so SkyDrive is a win. > > What does Bing do that Google doesn’t?(no snark) OneGuide is a win for the One but I personally don’t think it’s going to be the killer app that MS thinks it is. > > App comparison: [CNET: Product reviews, advice, how-tos and the latest news](http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57611828-221/xbox-one-vs-playstation-4-entertainment-apps-compared/) > > I wouldn’t say trounced. They are comparable. One has a few I’d like. NFL(PS3 had Direct TV NFL app last year. What happened?) ESPN. A lot of PSers want HBO Go. But the big ones(Netflix, Amazon, Hulu+) are on both. I’m not familiar with the Google+PS4 integration. Certainly Google does almost everything Bing does and more, I’m sure there’s a side-by-side out there. But I think the important question is what does Bing do on the console that Google doesn’t on the PS4 and honestly I don’t know the answer, but I suspect that Bing’s integration is far more advanced and useful. Bing powers the News, Sports, Weather and a bunch of other apps on Windows 8 and I suspect that it will do similar on the XBOne. This gets at the point of what I was emphasizing with the MS advantage in Services. While the PS4 will be able to check a lot of boxes on items like chat, music and storage it’s the ecosystem it’s lacking. Xbox Live Music, for all it’s flaws, is going to be much more widely used and your preferences will travel with you if you are in the MS ecosystem, this user base also probably means more artists and better ongoing support. Skype doesn’t even need explaining. Ultimately side-by-sides only tell part of the story. Just like Windows Phone loses the argument against Android and Apple due to app stores and ecosystems, PlayStation loses the argument for game consoles to MS+Windows 8 backed XBox. I suspect this gap will widen as the Windows Store grows and Windows 8 Modern Interface gain users because more and more apps and services will be cross-platform between Windows & XBox. PS4, for better or worse, will always probably be a game-centric device. XBOne aspires to be more than that. Time will tell what the market wants, but it’s something buyers must consider. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/49 "2013-11-13T20:05:29Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > IR remotes are old news. My official PS3 remote is Bluetooth. Weirdly I still can’t seem to get out of the habit of pointing it at the PS3 despite having owned it for several years. Yes, but I don’t want another remote. I have a Harmony 700, I can program it to control my friggin’ window AC unit! I can control the PS3 dashboard - it just won’t turn it on. It’s absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/50 "2013-11-13T21:08:46Z")
Polygon gave the PS4 a 7.5 /10. Not sure what that means though… ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/51 "2013-11-13T21:38:43Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m not familiar with the Google+PS4 integration. What you described is much more than I pictured. I just thought you meant a search engine. But since you mentioned ecosystem, Sony has the Sony Entertainment Network. Looking at the website, it has the ecosystem you say is lacking. Music, Movies, TV. PlayMemories is Sony’s answer to SkyDrive. It stores only media files, though. No documents. I don’t know how widely used SEN is but it’s there. Microsoft is smart to leverage One/PC synergy(they still say that, right?) but Sony is no slouch in the ecosystem department. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/52 "2013-11-13T22:01:03Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > The Xbox One can stream to Twitch. Awesome! > > Or maybe that’s a bad thing. :kappa: I’m worried about the automatic sharing functions of the new consoles. Right now, it takes a little bit of effort to put gameplay video up, so many/most people that do it put a little effort into it. They select interesting footage, edit it, maybe do commentary or something, something that makes it interesting. Obviously not all gameplay footage is interesting, but the fact that there’s a barrier to entry to make it means people will take more care to make it worthwhile. If 10 million new people with youtube and twitch suddenly are given one-button sharing and streaming, it’s going to be like twitter, everyone is going to post something because they think people will want to know what they had for lunch or when they take a shit. They’ll just flood youtube with stuff that isn’t carefully selected, editing, etc. The signal to noise ratio with gameplay video will massively plummet. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/53 "2013-11-13T22:14:31Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > What you described is much more than I pictured. I just thought you meant a search engine. But since you mentioned ecosystem, Sony has the Sony Entertainment Network. Looking at the website, it has the ecosystem you say is lacking. Music, Movies, TV. PlayMemories is Sony’s answer to SkyDrive. It stores only media files, though. No documents. I don’t know how widely used SEN is but it’s there. > > Microsoft is smart to leverage One/PC synergy(they still say that, right?) but Sony is no slouch in the ecosystem department. Like I said, Sony is checking the boxes. But just because it exists doesn’t mean people are using it. If people aren’t using it you don’t have an ecosystem, you just have a framework. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/54 "2013-11-13T22:14:55Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > This [Ars Technica](http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/the-xbox-one-and-ps4-share-similar-specs-but-the-devils-in-the-details/) article is pretty much the definitive hardware comparo. I just read that. It’s not definitive, and it’s not good journalism for that matter. I’m not sure if the writer was stupid, or a Microsoft shill, but he basically writes up an article about the differences in hardware, which all favor Sony significantly, and then dismisses them as being all the same. Why write an article detailing the differences only to try to dismiss and downplay those differences as much as you can? The idea that a 9% higher base core clock speed is a viable sidegrade to having a full 50% more unified stream processor clusters is absurd, and yet he gives a bullshit self-serving quote from a Microsoft PR guy and acts like it’s a real argument. He also dismisses a 50% increase in resolution as oh pretty much the same thing. I’m no ps4 fanboy, and they’re both shitboxes on account of choosing to use tablet processors for their CPU which is ridiculous, but it’s stupid to pretend the PS4 isn’t significantly more powerful than the Xbone. Maybe the extra services/gimmicks/games can make MS a winner, but it’s clear that the PS4 is the more powerful gaming machine. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/55 "2013-11-13T22:38:49Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Like I said, Sony is checking the boxes. But just because it exists doesn’t mean people are using it. If people aren’t using it you don’t have an ecosystem, you just have a framework. I assume people are using it. I don’t know how widely. They’re not just checking boxs as you say. Go to the website and look around. That’s not ‘Microsoft’s doing it so we might as well do it, too’. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/56 "2013-11-13T22:48:35Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I just read that. It’s not definitive, and it’s not good journalism for that matter. I’m not sure if the writer was stupid, or a Microsoft shill, but he basically writes up an article about the differences in hardware, which all favor Sony significantly, and then dismisses them as being all the same. Why write an article detailing the differences only to try to dismiss and downplay those differences as much as you can? > > The idea that a 9% higher base core clock speed is a viable sidegrade to having a full 50% more unified stream processor clusters is absurd, and yet he gives a bullshit self-serving quote from a Microsoft PR guy and acts like it’s a real argument. He also dismisses a 50% increase in resolution as oh pretty much the same thing. > > I’m no ps4 fanboy, and they’re both shitboxes on account of choosing to use tablet processors for their CPU which is ridiculous, but it’s stupid to pretend the PS4 isn’t significantly more powerful than the Xbone. Maybe the extra services/gimmicks/games can make MS a winner, but it’s clear that the PS4 is the more powerful gaming machine. I know when it comes to console gaming discussions you can’t help yourself, but what you said is not really accurate unless you’re filtering the article with a heavy bias. Here’s the section you quibble with: > [@Ars Technica](#): > > **The two consoles diverge more sharply when it comes to their GPUs.** They again share the same underlying architecture (AMD’s Sea Islands, which has come to market in some of its Radeon 7000 and 8000-series GPUs), which makes comparisons between the two simple. The Xbox One’s GPU runs at 853MHz (another late-in-the-game clock speed boost) while the PS4 GPU runs at 800MHz. However, the PS4 GPU has much more hardware behind it—18 of AMD’s compute units (CUs), rather than the 12 CUs in the Xbox One. > > These two GPUs support all of the same APIs and hardware features. The Xbox One can render a 3D image that looks exactly the same as one rendered by the PS4, it just can’t do it quite as quickly.\*\* It’s the reason why a Radeon HD 7790 clocked at 1GHz delivers worse performance in PC games than a Radeon HD 7850 clocked at 860MHz. There’s just more silicon there to do the heavy lifting.\*\* > > In their Digital Foundry interview, Microsoft’s Goossen and Baker argue that, for the Xbox One’s launch titles, the clock speed boost to the GPU was more effective than adding extra CUs would have been. **For some games, that may be the case, but what we’ve seen in the PC market for years and years is that GPUs with more CUs (assuming an otherwise similar architecture) are going to perform better.** **This will potentially give PS4 developers additional headroom to make their games more detailed, make them run more smoothly, or make them render at a higher resolution than on the Xbox One.** There’s also more silicon there to help out with any GPU-assisted compute tasks that need to be run. Emphasis mine. Not sure how you’re reading any of that as either pro-XB or dismissive of the impact of the differences. They say multiple times that the silicon in the PS4 is the differentiator. Of course, it’s a matter of opinion but Ars has [shared theirs](http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/op-ed-why-im-not-too-worked-up-about-the-next-gen-console-resolution-wars/) on the pixel wars. Take it for what you will, but it doesn’t sound like bias or stupidity to me. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/57 "2013-11-13T22:50:12Z")
Neither - Atari! ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/58 "2013-11-13T22:54:58Z")
GTFOH! The 2600 doesn’t even have HDMI! ---
**Author:** ![davidklk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@davidklk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidklk)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/59 "2013-11-14T12:12:19Z")
Ok its decided - go for a playstation, because ‘thats how xbox people are’ > **[South Park takes on next-gen console war and wins](https://www.eurogamer.net/south-park-takes-on-nextgen-console-war-and-wins)** > > South Park has taken on the next-gen console war - and won.The sketch, in the video below, was a part of the episode th… (Saw the article today, the clip is very funny) ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359/60 "2013-11-14T19:58:17Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > GTFOH! The 2600 doesn’t even have HDMI! IOW, the 2600 is HDCP DRM free! FTW! Anyway, PS4 is $100 cheaper and maybe marginally more powerful (close enough that no one should give a shit, tho) so if you have to get something this year or you’ll die, I’d say get PS4. Honestly the better thing to do would be wait until one or the other has more of a library built up, an exclusive game you can’t wait to play, or a price drop. As for me, if I were to get anything this year, it would be a Wii U. Laugh all you want, I want some more Mario and Zelda. For everything else, I’m not convinced my PS3 is not enough yet. I really don’t think Sony needed to put out a next gen system yet, other than to keep MS from getting a head start on installed userbase. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convince-me-ps4-or-xbox-one/673359.md?page=4)