# Convincing acquaintances, friends, and family to get vaccinated **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [August 7, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172 "2021-08-07T00:41:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/81 "2021-08-19T23:16:16Z")
I’m not talking about the law. Others may be. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/82 "2021-08-19T23:28:04Z")
OK. When you said > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > being able to turn away customers because of their status as a protected class. both “being able” and “protected class” seemed to indicate–to me, anyway–that you were talking about the law. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/83 "2021-08-20T15:49:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The scarcity principle can apply even in “routine treatment.” For one thing, a doctor’s time is not an endless resource. That’s why there’s triage. > > I don’t think “Where does it end?” is a useful question here . FWIW, vaccine refusal is having an effect on at least one facility’s transplant list. > **[Rantz: UW Medicine pulls heart transplant patient from list after refusing...](https://mynorthwest.com/3094868/rantz-uw-medicine-transplant-covid-vaccine/)** > > UW Medicine started denying organ transplants to patients refusing a COVID vaccine as early as June and won't directly answer questions about their policy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/84 "2021-08-20T19:00:56Z")
Wow. Very appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/85 "2021-08-21T05:21:58Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Do first responders really get to make this kind of call ? Are all doctors first responders? This is a serious question. Do all medical personal have to risk their lives to treat someone who refuses to protect themselves? Treating patients usually means getting close and personal with sick people. If all of our medical personal get sick because they were treating unvaccinated people, who is going to be left to treat the rest of us? I know a lot of medical folks have already died from this shit, are they ALL now required to die because of idiots? What if they start to think that their lives are important and just quit and start slinging hamburgers? Can they be forced to go back to the hospitals at gunpoint? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/86 "2021-08-21T05:22:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Wow. Very appropriate Sadly, if you see the article, “Rantz” is a right-wing extremist asshole complaining about the notion of denying transplant organs to people who won’t follow standard medical advice. His entire shtick is to generate outrage. He has no shame. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/87 "2021-08-21T11:45:19Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > Are all doctors first responders? No. Most doctors aren’t “first responders”. There was an issue with this during the AIDS crisis, too. Before it was understood, many doctors didn’t want to treat it, mostly because they were afraid they’d catch it. I remember my father (a doctor whose patient load wasn’t overwhelmingly AIDS, but who treated a lot of people with it) railing against those doctor. He felt doctors were well compensated in part because they assumed risks in caring for sick people. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/88 "2021-08-22T04:07:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > “If you don’t need a mask or a vaccine because God will protect you, then why do you need a gun?” > > Ba-da- _bing!_ This how some of them might respond. They need guns to protects them fron other people since people have free will. The virus is an Act of God so if they pray to Jesus hard enough they will be safe. Of course, most or all them probably pray for things that would go against the free will principle but when did hypocrisy stop anyone? ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/89 "2021-08-25T19:56:00Z")
> **[Pearls Before Swine by Stephan Pastis for August 25, 2021 | GoComics.com](https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/08/25)** > > August 25, 2021 If only we could. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/90 "2021-08-25T19:59:30Z")
Son is delaying his second shot, so I guess I don’t have to pay up? Also, his girlfriend has decided not to get her second shot because she’s had headaches ever since the first one. Her baby lives with them. For now… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/91 "2021-08-25T20:41:27Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > …she’s had headaches ever since the first one… Oh yeah. A headache. Right. Can’t put up with a headache. > **[Though young and healthy, unvaccinated father dies of COVID](https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-32b7763e53ec1c77b18e842a264ecb03)** > > Health officials in Alabama say they are seeing a spike in cases among young adults and children as the highly contagious delta variant sweeps through unvaccinated populations. > MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Healthy and in their 30s, Christina and Josh Tidmore figured they were low-risk for COVID-19. With conflicting viewpoints about whether to get vaccinated against the virus filling their social media feeds and social circles, they decided to wait. > > On July 20, Josh came home from work with a slight cough initially thought to be sinus trouble. On Aug. 11, he died of COVID-19 at a north Alabama hospital as Christina Tidmore witnessed a doctor and her team frantically try to resuscitate her husband. > > “She would say, ’I need a pulse. ’I would hear, ‘no pulse,’ “Christina Tidmore said through tears. “They were trying so hard.” > > “Nobody should go through this. He was only 36 and I’m 35 and we have three kids.” > > **She is now imploring young adults not to dismiss the risk and to consider getting vaccinated.** > … My bold. Good luck with that because headache. 🙄 * * * \*Why “consider”?? Why not **DO IT!** ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/92 "2021-08-25T22:40:32Z")
Yes, if Girlfriend had heard my response to that, I don’t think she would like me anymore. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/93 "2021-08-25T23:04:53Z")
Yeah, trying to save her life is a pretty hostile thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/94 "2021-08-25T23:48:59Z")
I don’t think that most of them actually believe the vaccine _is_ dangerous - I think some of them believe it _might_ be , but that’s not quite the same. I haven’t been able to convince anyone to get vaccinated , but that’s largely because I only know two people ( my son and my nephew) who were unwilling to. And my son got his first dose pretty much as soon as he found out his employer was going to require either vaccination or weekly testing. My nephew’s employer is requiring the same, so I expect he will get vaccinated as well. Apparently, whatever my son thought were the potential costs of getting vaccinated are outweighed by the potential costs (not necessarily monetary) of weekly testing. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/95 "2021-08-26T00:23:31Z")
It’s really not something new - I have been hearing about pediatricians refusing to accept the children of parents who will not vaccinate as patients for at least twenty years (probably more like 30). One of the reasons is that the pediatricians feel that accepting those children means that they will be providing substandard care, and that might not apply to a different sort of doctor such as a cardiologist who doesn’t normally provide vaccinations. But other reasons, such as protecting the other patients in the waiting room do apply to other doctors - and I can’t see why we would decide that the right of the unvaccinated to receive routine medical care at the doctor of their choice outweighs the right of the doctor to protect the patients who can’t be vaccinated because of age or other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/96 "2021-08-26T04:16:02Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > Son is delaying his second shot, so I guess I don’t have to pay up? Very disappointing, but at least he has _some_ protection. I was able to “blackmail” the sister who didn’t want to get her second shot by telling her that we were going to stop the regular Chewy dog food deliveries because we didn’t want to be on the hook for unused dog food when she dies. I put it on her to tell me when she needed more food and she thought it was unreasonable and going to be too much bother. She also knows that I can be a total bitch and that hubs always backs me up, even when he thinks I’m wrong. The next day, I got a selfie of her at Walgreens showing off her band-aid. She got her money and the dogs won’t go hungry. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/97 "2021-08-26T12:17:36Z")
You are a black belt champion at using pets for vaccination leverage! 👍🏽 🥋 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/98 "2021-08-26T12:25:37Z")
> **[Texas' biggest county saw a sixfold jump in vaccine rates after offering $100...](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/24/texas-harris-county-covid-19-vaccines/)** > > Other city and county governments in Texas are offering incentives to unvaccinated people to get a shot. Statewide, vaccination rates have increased modestly. > A week after public health officials in Texas’ most populous county started handing out $100 cash cards to locals getting their first COVID-19 shot, the number of daily vaccinations has shot up to six times its previous rate, Harris County [Houston] Judge Lina Hidalgo said Tuesday. > > “We had an inkling that something was going right when I started my announcement [about the incentive] at noon, and by the time I was done, 30 minutes later, there was a line of cars waiting to receive the vaccine,” Hidalgo said. “We haven’t seen those lines for months.” > > To accommodate and encourage the increased demand, the county will be opening an additional mass vaccination site and expanding its mobile vaccine program, Hidalgo said. > > … > > For the three weeks before the program started, Hidalgo said, Harris County Public Health was administering an average of 431 first doses per day. The day the announcement was made, the number jumped to 914. The next day, 1,596 people sought the first doses from public health providers. > > On Saturday, four days into the program, some 2,700 people got their first injection, Hidalgo said. > … Does this remind anyone of the situation where a magazine subscription comes up for renewal, and you ignore the notices week after week, until finally you get that “offer you can’t refuse,” _[“Renew for a year for only $1.00!”]_ and you feel very smug that you didn’t cave earlier, but waited for The Deal? I want people to get vaccinated (especially in Texas where I live) and if it takes bribery, then so be it. But damn. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/99 "2021-08-26T19:14:30Z")
My DIL’s mother is finally getting vaccinated - because Disney cruises are no longer allowing the unvaccinated on board. DIL is relieved. Her father died of covid about half a year ago and her mom sold the house and moved to Florida. Oh, Disney is requiring even the vaccinated to be tested before boarding. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172/100 "2021-08-26T19:36:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You are a black belt champion at using pets for vaccination leverage! 👍🏽 I am so fucking sick of this pandemic shit, its possible her dogs might have gone hungry for a couple of days if she hadn’t folded. I’ve always been a bitch but this is the first time I’ve starting including pets in my blackmail. Fucking idiots, one and all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convincing-acquaintances-friends-and-family-to-get-vaccinated/948172.md?page=6)