# Convoy of Death: fact or fiction? 3,000 massacred in Afghanistan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2004, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609 "2004-08-19T20:54:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/21 "2004-08-23T21:03:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _by xtisme_ > > Trying to drag the US into this story by implicating them in the massacre… From my OP: _Witnesses say that when the trucks arrived and soldiers opened the containers, most of the people inside were dead. **They also say US Special Forces re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried**. Now, up to three thousand bodies lie buried in a mass grave._ Certainly, if you know the story, you’ll also remember that the US was in charge of the operation in Afghanistan that led to the massacre? If you want to debate the video’s truthfulness, please be my guest. That’s why I made this thread. > [@](#): > > …and dragging Iraq which has zero to do with the original story into the mix, smacks of…well, I’m sure you can figure that out. It smacks of _what_?! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/22 "2004-08-24T03:35:13Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Of course one can not be certain of anything yet I did not get the impression that something was staged to make “a good shocking film”. > [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Personally, I want bland, unvarnished facts. Are you saying that the film is needlessly sensational? Senor **Viscoso** , I think you may not have skimmed **Alde** ’s post thoroughly enough. Or perhaps your comments are more enigmatic than usual. I usually get what you’re getting at even when others don’t appear to be though. > [@xtisme](#): > > … dragging Iraq which has zero to do with the original story into the mix, smacks of…well, I’m sure you can figure that out It seems that you were at first were addressing the OP, then it seems that you switch midstream and begin addressin **smiling Bandit** ’s post instead. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/23 "2004-08-24T04:00:06Z")
I don’t have cable and I knew about it. I saw multiple programs on it years ago and I believe I mentioned it here in passing but I can’t remember the topic. I Don’t remember US soldiers driving any of the trucks. This was early in the war and was the result of (from what I remember) inter-tribal conflicts. I couldn’t tell how much of this was deliberate or just stupidity. Some of the drivers knocked holes in the truck to give them air but I think this was the exception. A very gruesome death. You might look over past Frontline exposé’s on the war for information. You can surely buy the episode from them. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/24 "2004-08-24T05:06:43Z")
> [@](#): > > _by SimonX_ > > Senor **Viscoso** , I think you may not have skimmed **Alde** ’s post thoroughly enough. > Or perhaps your comments are more enigmatic than usual. I usually get what you’re getting at even when others don’t appear to be though. No mystery, really, just calling a bluff. He was holding low: one pimply Jack on an Inside Straight. 🙂 Magiver: That’s a start, but it doesn’t really address the documentary in the OP. Since you seem somewhat sympathetic to the topic, are you at least able to watch the streaming video? I would be willing to rent some high-speed web time next weekend, when I can get to town. (Just not quite ready to fork over ~$35 plus shipping, thank you.) ---
**Author:** ![WoodCM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7bcc69/32.png) [@WoodCM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WoodCM)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/25 "2004-08-24T05:27:20Z")
Old news, very old indeed. Are we bothered? And the rape of women by men. Much much greater. Yet we love Africa, and all their descendents. Such sickness and hypcrosity is a feature of socialist thought. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/26 "2004-08-24T05:35:02Z")
**WoodCM** , how’s the weather under that there bridge? ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/27 "2004-08-24T06:04:46Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > (I haven’t seen it - it appears to require RealPlayer, which I won’t install, since I regard it as being almost indistinguishable from a trojan.) [Jetaudio](http://www.jetaudio.com/download/) is your friend. [Supported Files](http://www.jetaudio.com/products/jetaudio/features_01.html) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/28 "2004-08-24T07:29:59Z")
Not so fast, Finchie. Let’s hear what this WoodCM fellow’s got on his mind. > [@](#): > > _by WoodCM_ > > And the rape of women by men. Much much greater. Yet we love Africa, and all their descendents. Such sickness and hypcrosity is a feature of socialist thought. WoodCM: did you see my reference to the Massacre at Acre? I know it’s just a drop in the bucket, but an army of Christ, during The Crusades, beheaded 3,000 unarmed human beings out of sheer spite. Are the Sudanese janjaweed so alone in their cruelty? > [@](#): > > [MORE than 258 000 people](http://allafrica.com/stories/200408050325.html) are still displaced from religious clashes in Nigeria that killed hundreds of people in the central state of Plateau three months ago, officials said yesterday. > > Christian militia massacred hundreds of Muslims in Plateau in early May after a series of tit-for-tat killings over land and political power, forcing thousands to flee and prompting President Oluse-gun Obasanjo to assume emergency powers. Maybe a Christian Militia isn’t good enough for you. How 'bout a Corporate Militia. One very well known, even back in 2001. > [@](#): > > Sudan is expected to experience two famines this year: some 3m people are at risk. One has already started, mainly in Darfur and Kordofan provinces; it is caused by drought. The other, which could affect 2.4m people, would be largely the result of war. Earlier this year the UN’s World Food Programme appealed for $135m for Sudan, but raised almost nothing. On March 29th, the UN appealed once again. > > The emergency casts a spotlight on the role of the oil companies operating in Sudan. The companies will doubtless say, with truth, that they are providing food, shelter and development help for the victims. The catch is that they will present themselves as part of the solution, whereas some would argue that they are part of the problem. That is because they can operate only with the approval of [a government that is ruthlessly clearing local people out of the oil areas, and using its oil revenue to finance the war](http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=S%26%28H4%25PQ%5F%2A%0A&CFID=36596244&CFTOKEN=422de45-3dc7d882-9887-4383-ae09-712b6c5861a9&). Well? Where is the barbarism in your world? Is it strictly black and white, or are you wise enough to see the people pulling the strings? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/29 "2004-08-24T21:26:07Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > No mystery, really, just calling a bluff. He was holding low: one pimply Jack on an Inside Straight. 1. Can you translate this comment in understandable English. 2. Can you explain in detail what your intentions are behind your deliberately misreading, misinterpreting and completely twisting what I write in a visible attempt to make other readers doing the same. 3. If you want to avoid me replying on your threads, then post that intention as a specific demand in the OP. Thank you. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/30 "2004-08-24T22:17:51Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > It seems that you were at first were addressing the OP, then it seems that you switch midstream and begin addressin smiling Bandit’s post instead. I get annoyed from time to time, just like everyone else. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2004, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609/31 "2004-08-24T23:22:02Z")
I saw the film. End conclusion: Mostly shite. Message was, “Gee, America is a big dirty bird because someone told us that they knew a guy who said her heard of someone who saw some soldiers stand around and do nothing while container loads of prisioners were (or perhaps were not, he didn’t see that part, but his neighbor did, and hes missing now, so he must have been telling the truth) killed or died in the heat and buried or maybe taken somewhere else. Anyway, IT’S ALL AMERICA’S FAULT!!” Seemed pretty slim to me. They had no evidence of any involvement of US troops or officals. If there was killin’, and I’ll bet there was, it was hot Afgan-on-Afgan action. Resume the regularly schedualed “debate”… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/convoy-of-death-fact-or-fiction-3-000-massacred-in-afghanistan/260609.md?page=1)