# Cops ambushed and shot in Brooklyn **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771 "2014-12-20T21:20:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/21 "2014-12-20T23:03:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > If excessive force is routinely used by the NYPD wouldn’t you expect to see a parade of thousands of beaten up citizens? Brother Al could lead the parade. Pass out all the medical reports detailing the injuries inflicted by the police. Who said routinely? If it’s even used as a small amount of times, and we can alter our training to reduce some of those, how is that not worthwhile? Every post you make brings a new strawman. Imagine if there were better techniques for police to approach armed suspects to protect them, but with no downside as far as making the situation more dangerous. Wouldn’t you want their training to reflect that, even if shootouts between police and armed suspects only account for a tiny fraction of police incidents? Training is routinely refined by real world experience in incidents with poor outcome to attempt to rectify those situations. The idea that this makes this situations common, or that all police are culpable, or whatever you’re coming up with, is completely made up by you. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/22 "2014-12-20T23:08:38Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > No it’s not. Not one bit. > > What do you propose, we wait to see which officers use excessive force to determine which ones should be properly trained, or could it just possibly be that the smart thing to do is train the entire force to be sure everyone knows the proper procedures? Whats wrong with letting Internal Affairs handle it? There’s procedures in place to investigate claims of excessive force. Determine if they are valid and then discipline or fire the officers involved. Sure, on a broader level new procedures and regulations can be implemented within the NYPD. Change their approach to Stop and Frisk and other address other concerns. Regulations change within any organization. de Blasio didn’t have to openly state retraining of the entire force is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/23 "2014-12-20T23:10:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > de Blasio didn’t have to openly state retraining of the entire force is needed. My boss did, and it wasn’t a big deal. Just like it isn’t a big deal here. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/24 "2014-12-20T23:16:53Z")
If the existing training results in individuals acting incorrectly, then the existing training is not sufficient, and new training is required. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/25 "2014-12-20T23:19:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Whats wrong with letting Internal Affairs handle it? There’s procedures in place to investigate claims of excessive force. Determine if they are valid and then discipline or fire the officers involved. NOBODY has any faith or confidence in any police department’s Internal Affairs any more. These sort of complaints need to be investigated by an independent outside agency. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/26 "2014-12-20T23:24:19Z")
ace you’re looking at this the wrong way. At the very large multinational company I work for every single person is required to be retrained on sexual harassment every year. Every freaking year without exception even though actual cases of sexual harassment are exceedingly rare. Do you know why actual cases of sexual harassment are exceedingly rare? _ **Because every single person is retrained on sexual harassment every freaking year without exception.** _ The training is to prevent the incidents, not a reactionary measure to incidents that have already occurred. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/27 "2014-12-20T23:32:49Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > ace you’re looking at this the wrong way. > > At the very large multinational company I work for every single person is required to be retrained on sexual harassment every year. Every freaking year without exception even though actual cases of sexual harassment are exceedingly rare. > Do you know why actual cases of sexual harassment are exceedingly rare? _ **Because every single person is retrained on sexual harassment every freaking year without exception.** _ > > The training is to prevent the incidents, not a reactionary measure to incidents that have already occurred. That sounds reasonable. I had the impression de Blasio’s call for retraining was punitive. If its not then I was mistaken. Clearly better statistics needs to be kept on excessive force and police shootings throughout the country. First to determine the extant of the problem and identify the hot spots. Why are the numbers higher in this city. Right now people are reacting to a few highly publicized cases. No one knows how common these incidents are. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/28 "2014-12-20T23:35:30Z")
Mine was. Somebody done goofed, so we got retrained. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/29 "2014-12-20T23:44:13Z")
Terrible news. I hope this vendetta ended with this shooter’s death. > **[Two NYPD officers ‘assassinated’ while sitting in patrol car in Brooklyn by...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2014/12/21/two-nypd-officers-assassinated-while-sitting-in-patrol-car-in-brooklyn-by-gunman-who-boasted-on-instagram-about-revenge-killing-cops-graphic-images/)** > > Two NYPD cops were executed Saturday after a career criminal drove from Baltimore to Brooklyn to kill police officers in a twisted bid to avenge the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. “… > [@](#): > > Two NYPD cops were executed Saturday after a gang member from Baltimore drove to the city to kill police officers after wounding his girlfriend, sources told the Daily News. > > The shooter, identified as Ismaaiyl Brinsley, boasted about wanting to kill cops in the hours before he ambushed the officers outside the Tompkins Houses in Bedford-Stuyvesant about 3 p.m. Saturday. > > “I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours…Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” Brinsley wrote on Instagram alongside a photo of a silver handgun and a series of hashtags referencing the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. > [@](#): > > Brinsley is believed to be a memebr of a Baltimore gang, Black Gorilla Family, sources said. The gang has vowed retribution for the deaths of Garner and Brown. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/30 "2014-12-20T23:45:07Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Mine was. Somebody done goofed, so we got retrained. Yeah, I do remember one time we were required to do it again in June after we had just done it in February because supposedly there was an incident. The trainer started off the class in a very irritated tone of voice saying something along the lines of “I would have thought you guys would know this stuff by now, but _ **APPARENTLY** _ it didn’t sink in last time, SO…” ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/31 "2014-12-20T23:53:05Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Yeah, I do remember one time we were required to do it again in June after we had just done it in February because supposedly there was an incident. > > The trainer started off the class in a very irritated tone of voice saying something along the lines of “I would have thought you guys would know this stuff by now, but _ **APPARENTLY** _ it didn’t sink in last time, SO…” Yep, similar circumstances, although it actually was a completely different flavor of training that someone had cooked up for us last-minute. I found it moderately useful. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/32 "2014-12-21T00:55:33Z")
OP is a fucking idiot. Please kill yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/33 "2014-12-21T01:32:12Z")
Yet another bizarre view from **ace** ’s take on the world. It’s a widespread belief among African Americans in New York that the police are to be feared and not respected. The mayor makes a rather mild statement trying to bridge that divide, and he goes nuts. How about when the Secret Service let someone run into the White House? Did he think that nobody should say anything, because the feelings of the agents could be hurt! And after all, they risk their lives too! Or imagine back when the Supreme Court struck down racial discrimination laws. I could imagine him criticizing the Supreme Court for doing something that would rock the boat with a lot of important southern states. His fear of principled conflict is just out of hand. Wasn’t he the poster who also thought the police in the south had to protect MLK’s marches because he had his permits in order? And he was just totally surprised that the cops beat up and arrested those peaceful marches time and time again? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/34 "2014-12-21T01:51:35Z")
Two cops are dead. At least aceplace gave enough of a shit to post about them. No one else in this thread has. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/35 "2014-12-21T01:52:53Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > OP is a fucking idiot. Please kill yourself. This is a warning for you. Don’t make posts like this. In fact, since it breaks more than one rule and is so brash, if you make another one like it ever again, your posting privileges may be taken away immediately (either temporary or permanently, depending on staff discussion). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/36 "2014-12-21T01:54:21Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Two cops are dead. At least aceplace gave enough of a shit to post about them. No one else in this thread has. Yes we don’t give a shit about dead cops, that is clearly what you should take away from this. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/37 "2014-12-21T02:08:10Z")
Its incredible this guy traveled all the way from Baltimore to Brooklyn just to ambush and kill two officers. No information why this guy shot his gf earlier today. She’s had surgery and is expected to survive. He’s reported to be a gang member of the BGF. A large gang that has been making threats against the police for awhile. [http://gangs.umd.edu/Gangs/BLACKGUERILLAFAMILY.aspx](http://gangs.umd.edu/Gangs/BLACKGUERILLAFAMILY.aspx) > [@](#): > > The Black Guerrilla Family (BGF), originally known as the Black Family and Black Vanguard, is an influential African American prison gang active in California and Maryland. Since its formation in the San Quentin State Prison in California in 1966, the BGF has developed into a highly organized gang that resembles a paramilitary organization. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/38 "2014-12-21T02:11:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How would you feel if your boss told the world you needed to be retrained? That your racist attitudes needed to be adjusted? > > If thats not a slap in the face, I can’t imagine what would be. This is the Mayor speaking. Not some angry demonstrator. Well, here in Philadelphia we once had the opposite. We had a Mayor, one Frank Rizzo who was the former Police Chief. He was very much in support of the police, no matter what they did. Up to and including the cover up of incidents of police brutality. The result? It took _decades_ for the Philadelphia police department to re-earn any trust the in the community. No thank you. I’d rather have a Mayor who takes steps to solve problems. Not shuffle blame, not cover it up, not utterly condemn the departments. Solve them. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/39 "2014-12-21T02:16:45Z")
This story was posted Dec 6. Two weeks ago. Apparently they’ve carried out their threats. > **[NYPD cops warned militant group Black Guerilla Family ‘preparing to shoot...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2014/12/07/nypd-cops-warned-militant-group-black-guerilla-family-preparing-to-shoot-on-duty-police-officers/)** > > A tattooed gang of militants declared open season on the NYPD in the wake of the Eric Garner grand jury decision, according to a threat a police union verified Saturday. Ten Black Guerrilla Family … > [@](#): > > A tattooed gang of militants declared open season on the NYPD in the wake of the Eric Garner grand jury decision, according to a threat a police union verified Saturday. > > Ten Black Guerrilla Family members are “preparing to shoot on duty police officers,” Sergeants Benevolent Association President Ed Mullins said. > > The gang, formed in the 1960s in the California prison system, recently surfaced on the East Coast and Maryland, where members are at the heart of a drug-trafficking and corruption probe within the Baltimore prison system. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/40 "2014-12-21T03:00:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Right after the grand jury de Blasio issued a[public letter.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/04/new-york-mayor-bill-de-blasio-pens-an-open-letter-after-the-eric-garner-decision-there-is-much-more-to-be-done/) I can’t ever recall any public official condemn their own police force so strongly. The ‘thrown under the bus’ accusation was made more in response to remarks DeBlasio made about how he and his wife lectured their son about how he needs to be careful when dealing with cops than whatever’s in that letter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771.md?page=3)