# Cops ambushed and shot in Brooklyn **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771 "2014-12-20T21:20:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/61 "2014-12-21T21:49:07Z")
I didn’t find the cop’s actions acceptable. Especially under the circumstances at the hospital. I sincerely hope that type of thing isn’t repeated at the funerals. If anything, this should be an opportunity to mend fences. Better or worse the NYPD has to partner and work with de Blasio for the duration of his term. This rift has to be mended. I hope if anything this tragedy is a wake up call. Some of the cop hate has gotten way out of hand. I’d like to see the cops scale back their militarized procedures. Get back to basic community law enforcement. The military equipment they received needs to be returned back to the defense dept or destroyed. Congress can make that happen. At the same time, the cop hate needs to stop. These men are putting their lives at risk to keep us all safe. Don’t judge the entire force based on the actions of a few bad cops. It’s time for both sides to come together and put an end to this. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/62 "2014-12-21T21:58:28Z")
Wow, not a word about the need for police to better serve minority communities. Even George Bush said he couldn’t understand why the police officers were not indicted for the death of Eric Garner, but you see the real issue as “cop hate” huh? Look, the murderer of these two officers is a rancid piece of crap and I’m glad he is no more. But man, you continue to totally miss the real point of things. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/63 "2014-12-21T22:13:11Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > The perpetrator being from Baltimore in no way proves De Blasio had nothing to do with this incident. It’s not as if big city Mayors are only broadcast within their own city. I have no idea if De Blasio’s comments exacerbated the situation. However, the killer being from Baltimore does not exonerate the Mayor. Exonerate the mayor? The perp being from Baltimore doesn’t prove de Blasio had nothing to do with it? Is this some kind of joke, or whoosh? If you’re serious, you should probably check all the rap lyrics he might have listened to and any video games he played. This thread needs to be in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/64 "2014-12-21T22:16:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > These men are putting their lives at risk to keep us all safe. No, they aren’t. No more so than many other professions. [Cite. > [@](#): > > The annual report from the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund also found that deaths in the line of duty generally fell by 8 percent and were the fewest since 1959. > > According to the report, 111 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty nationwide this past year, compared to 121 in 2012. > > Forty-six officers were killed in traffic related accidents, and 33 were killed by firearms. The number of firearms deaths fell 33 percent in 2013 and was the lowest since 1887. > This statistical evidence suggests being a cop is safer than its been since the days of Sheriff Andy Griffith. ]([Number Of Officers Killed In The Line Of Duty Drops To 50-Year Low While Number Of Citizens Killed By Cops Remains Unchanged | Techdirt](https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131230/15411225716/number-officers-killed-line-duty-drops-to-50-year-low-while-number-citizens-killed-cops-remains-unchanged.shtml)) [Being a cop isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous professions: > [@](#): > > In fact cops don’t even rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country according to The Bureau of Labor Statistics. > > What exactly is more dangerous than being a cop? For starters, a trash collector is twice as likely to die on the job versus a cop, fishing is 7 times more dangerous than being a cop, and logging workers, nearly 9 times more dangerous. > > Here are occupations more dangerous than being a police officer. Number of deaths per 100,000 employed: > > [ol]Logging workers: 127.8 > [li]Fishermen: 117.0[/li][li]Aircraft pilots: 53.4[/li][li]Roofers: 40.5[/li][li]Garbage collectors: 36.8[/li][li]Electrical power line installation/repair: 29.8[/li][li]Truck drivers: 22.8[/li][li]Oil and gas extraction: 21.9[/li][li]Farmers and ranchers: 21.3[/li][li]Construction workers: 17.4 [/ol][/li] > The majority of police deaths are not as a result of violence in the line of duty either, most have occurred accidentally rather than feloniously. Most police officers die, not in some heroic high speed pursuit of a child murderer, but in routine traffic accidents. ]([Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs in the Country: Police Officer is NOT on the List - The Free Thought Project](http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/)) In fact, I keep reading about how no officer should put themselves at risk, and that’s why so many shootings/tasings/beatings are justified. > [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s time for both sides to come together and put an end to this. If the “cope hate” (as you put it) is EVER going to be scaled back, the cop worship has to be scaled back as well. But hey, what are the police wiling to do to make this situation better? Nothing, as far as I can see. The cops won’t give an inch, nor will their supporters: after all, everyone else is a criminal and deserves whatever happens to them. :rolleyes: Cops aren’t mythical heros; they’re flawed human beings, just like the rest of us. Refusing to deal with the reality of the situation will only make the situation worse. My bet is on the situation getting worse. [Skinner] Prove me wrong, kids. [/Skinner] ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/65 "2014-12-21T22:19:54Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > The perpetrator being from Baltimore in no way proves De Blasio had nothing to do with this incident. It’s not as if big city Mayors are only broadcast within their own city. I have no idea if De Blasio’s comments exacerbated the situation. However, the killer being from Baltimore does not exonerate the Mayor. Quite frankly, De Blasio should have never encouraged the public to execute police officers or their own girlfriends. Very irresponsible. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/66 "2014-12-21T22:33:37Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Exonerate the mayor? The perp being from Baltimore doesn’t prove de Blasio had nothing to do with it? > > Is this some kind of joke, or whoosh? > > If you’re serious, you should probably check all the rap lyrics he might have listened to and any video games he played. > > This thread needs to be in the pit. I did not blame the Mayor. My point was that the perp being from Baltimore has nothing to do with De Blasio’s culpability, or lack thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/67 "2014-12-21T22:35:11Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > I did not blame the Mayor. My point was that the perp being from Baltimore has nothing to do with De Blasio’s culpability, or lack thereof. So is there culpability? Or lack thereof? In your opinion, of course. ---
**Author:** ![InfiniteJest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/eada6e/32.png) [@InfiniteJest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfiniteJest)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/68 "2014-12-21T22:40:30Z")
I don’t understand the shooter’s logic. OTOH I’m not sure if there’s any point to trying to understand his “logic.” Randomly targeting two cops because they share the same uniform as thousands of others is equivalent to policemen targeting African-Americans because of their skin color. Judge people not by their color or uniform but by the content of their character. On the other hand, I’m surprised this made the news. A spic and a chink got killed. Who the fuck cares; these two groups are even lower on the pecking order than negros. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/69 "2014-12-21T22:46:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So is there culpability? Or lack thereof? In your opinion, of course. I have absolutely no idea. I have not paid much attention to exactly what De Blasio has said. Neither am I(or any of us) capable of digging into the precise mindset of the killer in the days beforehand. I believe in personal responsibility. My natural inclination is to blame the perpetrator and only the perpatrator. Political mudslinging was used against Sarah Palin after the Giffords shooting. What is happening here is no different to that. I was against blaming Palin for Giffords. Without knowing exactly what De Blasio said im against blaming him for these killings. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/70 "2014-12-21T22:53:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Some of the cop hate has gotten way out of hand. SOME? This isn’t the pit so I’ll not comment further. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/71 "2014-12-21T22:57:45Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > This thread needs to be in the pit. I agree, there’s no appropriate way to respond to some of these comments in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/72 "2014-12-21T23:01:27Z")
Reported for forum change. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/73 "2014-12-21T23:07:08Z")
Yes, truly the only way to respond to some of these comments is in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/74 "2014-12-21T23:42:59Z")
> [@InfiniteJest](#): > > Judge people not by their color or uniform but by the content of their character. > > On the other hand, I’m surprised this made the news. A spic and a chink got killed. Who the fuck cares; these two groups are even lower on the pecking order than negros. This is a warning for you. This post is extremely out of line for these boards. Don’t make posts like it again, as it can be seen as trolling (which is what you’re getting a warning for) and you may get further warnings if you do. Secondly, I don’t see any reason **not** to move the whole thread to the Pit as it had that sort of RO from the beginning, so there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/75 "2014-12-21T23:47:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I did say the NYPD feels like they were thrown under the bus. I’m sure you’ve seen yesterdays video of the cops turning their backs to De Blasio at the hospital? It’s on every news channel. For better or worse he is their commander in chief. The top dog and he didn’t have their backs. What about what he owes to the people of New York City? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/76 "2014-12-21T23:52:43Z")
> [@InfiniteJest](#): > > I don’t understand the shooter’s logic. OTOH I’m not sure if there’s any point to trying to understand his “logic.” > > Randomly targeting two cops because they share the same uniform as thousands of others is equivalent to policemen targeting African-Americans because of their skin color. > > Judge people not by their color or uniform but by the content of their character. > > On the other hand, I’m surprised this made the news. A spic and a chink got killed. Who the fuck cares; these two groups are even lower on the pecking order than negros. Now that we’re in the Pit, you, sir, are fucking racist scum. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/77 "2014-12-21T23:53:32Z")
This was never intended to be a pit thread. I bent over backwards to keep my OP factual. I even linked to news of the police being physically attacked by demonstrators. Arrests have been made for those crimes. I mentioned the Mayor “threw under the NYPD” bus and that was a direct quote from the Washington Post. It was further substantiated yesterday when all the cops at the hospital turned their back to de Blasio. I couldn’t make this shit up if I wanted to. Everything word of my OP was factual. Don’t like the facts? That’s your problem. Not mine. Like it our not the NYPD feels that they’ve been betrayed by the mayor, attacked by demonstrators and now two NYPD officers have been murdered by an assassin. Is their any doubt in anyone’s mind that he was inspired by the non-stop news coverage of the past few months? Or did he just wake up one day and decide to murder two cops? Save your rants. I’m outta here. I’m not having my Christmas ruined by this board. See ya next year and it won’t be in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/78 "2014-12-21T23:57:26Z")
Is \*\*aceplace57 \*\*normally this silly? I don’t have him flagged on my dipshit radar. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/79 "2014-12-22T00:10:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Is \*\*aceplace57 \*\*normally this silly? I don’t have him flagged on my dipshit radar. He’s a bit special. The critical faculties of a mealworm, and a fondness for Daily Mail links. Mostly in MPSIMS though, so you might not have noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771/80 "2014-12-22T00:14:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Is \*\*aceplace57 \*\*normally this silly? I don’t have him flagged on my dipshit radar. Here’s another dipshit, Patrick Lynch, President of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. He says the Mayor has blood on his hands over these killings. This dipshittiness is held by many NYPD officers it seems. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YpKfIPxCE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YpKfIPxCE) The relationship between many in the NYPD and the Mayor has broken down. This breakdown of trust is a legitimate enough area of interest. It cant be a healthy situation for any party involved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-brooklyn/707771.md?page=5)