# Cops shoot airman **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635 "2006-02-02T04:44:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/41 "2006-02-02T22:15:53Z")
> [@Yamirskoonir](#): > > As for why the headlines are screaming HEARTLESS COP GUNS DOWN HELPLESS VET!!! – it makes the story ten times more sensational. Most of us really are just a bunch of sheep. Is there anything about that headline which is not completely accurate and factual (barring the adjective “heartless” which no news organization has actually used)? Why do you say it’s “sensational” and why does that headline make us sheep? It looks to me just like a statement of the facts. What do you theink the headline SHOULD be? ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/42 "2006-02-02T22:25:11Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > Three times? :dubious: > > Even if his finger only “slipped” once, he should absolutely not be a cop. If you can’t hold a weapon and not have it go off unless you specifically intend for it to, you’ve got NO business with one. He can have a desk job. If a pen “slips”, no one usually dies. Actually, that is the only thing I saw the officer do that matched with training techniques. The 3 shot rule is, or was before 2000, the standard when bystanders wern’t at risk. The cop should be in custody, and not on admin leave, AFAIC. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/43 "2006-02-02T22:29:29Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > Three times? :dubious: “We in the jury would have believed that the shooting was accidental had the defendant not stopped to reload. Twice.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/44 "2006-02-02T23:19:04Z")
> [@AFAIKnow](#): > > The cop should be in custody, and not on admin leave, AFAIC. In another thread, it was pointed out that the accused–even accused police officers–have the right to be considered innocent until they’re proven guilty in a court. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/45 "2006-02-02T23:20:52Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > In another thread, it was pointed out that the accused–even accused police officers–have the right to be considered innocent until they’re proven guilty in a court. of course not every accused person is allowed to roam free pending the guilty verdict. But you know that. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/46 "2006-02-02T23:24:21Z")
Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![rippingtons\_fan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rippingtons_fan/32/11767_2.png) [@rippingtons\_fan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rippingtons_fan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/47 "2006-02-02T23:29:50Z")
That sonovabitch cop!!! He’s beneath contempt as far as I’m concerned. I’m ready to lead the lynch mob if required!!! ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/48 "2006-02-02T23:32:48Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > In another thread, it was pointed out that the accused–even accused police officers–have the right to be considered innocent until they’re proven guilty in a court. Plenty of innocent people not yet proven guilty are in custody. ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/49 "2006-02-02T23:34:53Z")
> [@rippingtons\_fan](#): > > That sonovabitch cop!!! He’s beneath contempt as far as I’m concerned. > I’m ready to lead the lynch mob if required!!! Now, don’t hold back for our sake. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/50 "2006-02-03T02:02:44Z")
Hangin’s too good for him! Burnin’s too good for him! (This sucker is going down and deserves it.) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/51 "2006-02-03T02:07:12Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Hangin’s too good for him! Burnin’s too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/52 "2006-02-03T02:10:30Z")
I’ll kill 'im myself! Sterrrrnnnnnn! Raarrrr! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/53 "2006-02-03T06:19:14Z")
> [@wring](#): > > of course not every accused person is allowed to roam free pending the guilty verdict. But you know that. Actually, I know there’s a thing called _reasonable bail_. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/54 "2006-02-03T06:26:36Z")
odd 'cause you didn’t mention that. ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/55 "2006-02-03T08:48:58Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I call bullshit on that. There’s no way an EMT crew would treat a broken finger before a gunshot victim. **friedo** , the whole thing was a major fuckup. I can’t know for sure, but both Kenny’s mom and sister swore to me that he was still breathing. Maybe not. All I know for sure is that heads rolled over it. Interesting sidenote, after a couple of months the family started getting “get out of town” notes. It was more or less traced to one or the other of the cops. We’d left by then. Oh, and it came out that the shooter had a history of violence, lied on his application and shouldn’t have made the force in the first place. Keep in mind too that this was twenty-five years ago and the family was Native. Shit happened. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/56 "2006-02-03T12:38:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually, I know there’s a thing called _reasonable bail_. And there’s a thing called _misdirection_. Directly from the news article: > [@](#): > > The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/57 "2006-02-03T12:42:22Z")
Why should I have to mention something you already know, wring? Czarcasm: So what? There’s also a thing called _investigation_. Should the cop be chucked into jail absent any charges? And before anyone pretends I’m defending that cop, don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/58 "2006-02-03T12:46:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why should I have to mention something you already know, wring? > > Czarcasm: So what? There’s also a thing called _investigation_. Should the cop be chucked into jail absent any charges? > > And before anyone pretends I’m defending that cop, don’t. The hell you aren’t. If anyone else had shot an unarmed man who was doing precisely what the shooter told him to do, that person would be have been arrested prior to any investigation, especially if there was film of the event. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/59 "2006-02-03T12:49:44Z")
Nice pretense. I really don’t care who you think you are with your lousy mind-reading skills. What I am defending is a process. Your own quote shows that there’s a procedure involved in officer-involved shootings. And, yes, it’s been known to happen that officers have been charged after such investigations. Again, you are wrong with your assessment of what I’m defending. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2006, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635/60 "2006-02-03T12:51:45Z")
What the hey… And the cops would know who that anyone else is exactly how? Oh, yes…investigation. And the cops would know what was on the vidoe exaclty how? Oh, yes…investigation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-shoot-airman/342635.md?page=4)