# "Cops" show comes to Omaha; 1 dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680 "2014-08-27T20:05:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/101 "2014-08-28T12:48:47Z")
I want the police to not be stupid and burst in from doors from opposite sides of a room to empty their clips at a suspect…and each other. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/102 "2014-08-28T13:05:09Z")
> [@common good](#): > > The academic myopia here is STAGGERING ! I gave some inaccurate early information. :dubious: > [@samclem](#): > > Think Omaha might just pass on future dates? I imagine the producers might… or the sound techs. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/103 "2014-08-28T13:35:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I want the police to not be stupid and burst in from doors from opposite sides of a room to empty their clips at a suspect…and each other. And when the suspect is wounded and fleeing from a crowded restaurant, to maybe, like, _stop shooting_ for a while, instead of firing round after round after round like Rambo taking out a firebase. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/104 "2014-08-28T14:39:37Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > And when the suspect is wounded and fleeing from a crowded restaurant, to maybe, like, _stop shooting_ for a while, instead of firing round after round after round like Rambo taking out a firebase. If you stop firing and the guy gets through the back door… do you want to be the guy who runs out after him? Did he keep going? Or did he get outside the door and turn around to greet the next man through the door? I think the rule would most likely be - stop firing when he falls down and quits moving or he drops his weapon and surrenders. Of course that surrender part is always a tricky one. Especially if shots have been fired. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/105 "2014-08-28T15:33:07Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > 1. No robber with a fake weapon is going to turn and try to “shoot” cops with it. Ummm…yeah, they will. Under stress, people do weird, crazy shit. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/106 "2014-08-28T15:39:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Ummm…yeah, they will. Under stress, people do weird, crazy shit. Indeed. Then there’s Suicide By Cop. ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/107 "2014-08-28T17:18:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Have my “objections” (of trying to get you to explain what the fuck you think actually happened) been destroyed yet? > > In other questions, how is the library doing? Still brushing your teeth in the water fountain? Nope. You still sit when you pee ? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/108 "2014-08-28T17:25:25Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Nope. You still sit when you pee ? I see your wit is still sharper than a spoon. ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/109 "2014-08-28T17:29:41Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And my mothers side of the famil is from Altenkirchen Germany, and arrived over here in the early 1700s…as did so many other Americans of German descent ranging from the late 1600s until the 1930s because they didn’t want to be nazi. Call my mom a nazi? Fuckwad. > [URL=“[http://www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/](http://www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/)”] I apologize. Mine was a stupid, unfair response. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/110 "2014-08-28T17:31:47Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > You still sit when you pee ? Not to sidetrack anything here…but can someone please explain to me how this is an insult? Is there something inherently better, more manly, more whatever, about standing? ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/111 "2014-08-28T17:34:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Not that I expect a real answer, and certainly not an actually coherent one, but here goes anyway. WTF is “over-trained”? Militarized. Overwhelming show of force, as our military does things. Shoot first, ask questions later, that sort of thing. Capice ? ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/112 "2014-08-28T17:36:33Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Not to sidetrack anything here…but can someone please explain to me how this is an insult? Is there something inherently better, more manly, more whatever, about standing? Well, yea. Why do you think toilet seats have two positions ? Maybe you are the wrong guy to ask. ---
**Author:** ![buddy431](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@buddy431](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddy431)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/113 "2014-08-28T17:37:04Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > And when the suspect is wounded and fleeing from a crowded restaurant, to maybe, like, _stop shooting_ for a while, instead of firing round after round after round like Rambo taking out a firebase. That’s what gets me. It could easily have been a customer at the restaurant who was shot. I think it was probably reasonable for the police to use their weapons in this instance (though we don’t know all of the details yet) but… you need to exhibit some modicum of situational awareness about, you know, who’s behind the guy you’re shooting at. When the police are more dangerous to bystanders than the criminal they’re trying to apprehend, someone’s doing something wrong. I think it’s reasonable that we consider the lives of police officers to be more valuable than those of the people they’re apprehending, but more valuable than innocent bystanders? Fuck no. ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/114 "2014-08-28T17:41:13Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > **Common good** , you’re doing it wrong. All of it. I think I get what you’re saying. And I don’t give a shit. Don’t tell me how to do things and I won’t tell you where to stick it. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/115 "2014-08-28T17:41:53Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > If you stop firing and the guy gets through the back door… do you want to be the guy who runs out after him? > > Did he keep going? Or did he get outside the door and turn around to greet the next man through the door? When you’re dealing with an armed robber, any course of action has risk. But look at the [top picture](http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-crew-member-killed-omaha-police-shooting/story?id=25155611) in this article. There are 15–count them, 15–bullet holes visible just in these three windows. There were probably at least that many shots fired which struck elsewhere. This isn’t ready, aim, fire. This is spraying an area with fire, almost randomly. And that _can’t_ be a good if you’re a bystander. Or, if you’re out in the parking lot or on the street anywhere in the line of fire. I refuse to believe that this was the lowest-risk option. If this is going by the book, the book should be torn up and rewritten. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/116 "2014-08-28T17:44:02Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Well, yea. Why do you think toilet seats have two positions ? Maybe you are the wrong guy to ask. Maybe because standing is _optional_, not _required_? I’m going to assume you can’t answer my question. . ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/117 "2014-08-28T17:45:42Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > Militarized. Overwhelming show of force, as our military does things. Shoot first, ask questions later, that sort of thing. Capice ? NEWS FLASH Cops armed with A1 Abrams battle tanks and F-18 fighters surrounded an unarmed man who was accused of taking the “Do not remove under penalty of law” tags off the pillow he recently purchased. The man, who was soundly asleep, failed to answer the door on the second knock. The police gained entry by detonating a 500 pound bomb at the doorstep of the residence, killing the man and 43 of his neighbors who were filming the incident with their cell phones. Yep, that happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/118 "2014-08-28T17:47:07Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > And when the suspect is wounded and fleeing from a crowded restaurant, to maybe, like, _stop shooting_ for a while, instead of firing round after round after round like Rambo taking out a firebase. Well put, Sir Pig. I know police have to police. It’s the overwhelming-force shit that disturbs me. The robber deserved what he got. The sound tech didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/119 "2014-08-28T17:49:13Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > NEWS FLASH > > Cops armed with A1 Abrams battle tanks and F-18 fighters surrounded an unarmed man who was accused of taking the “Do not remove under penalty of law” tags off the pillow he recently purchased. The man, who was soundly asleep, failed to answer the door on the second knock. The police gained entry by detonating a 500 pound bomb at the doorstep of the residence, killing the man and 43 of his neighbors who were filming the incident with their cell phones. > Yep, that happens all the time. Yep. You’re not Jewish. You are definitely German. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680/120 "2014-08-28T17:50:16Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Maybe because standing is _optional_, not _required_? > > I’m going to assume you can’t answer my question. It makes me worry more what kind of person would actually take note of something like that and form a judgement on it. The kind of person, I hope, who does not own a gun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cops-show-comes-to-omaha-1-dead/696680.md?page=7)