Corbyn Labour leadership the disaster everybody knew it would be

Sorry - that’s kind of what I was getting at when I said her other challengers flapped about and failed to stand.

It’s a similar story to May. She may well have been able to defeat all comers in a full contest - we’ll never know - but in the event, she didn’t have to. Gove took Boris out, Fox was never serious, Crabb was an outside shot who got blown up by a sex-scandal and Leadsom dug herself a hole, filled it with sharpened sticks and dove in head first.

I can’t argue with you about May.

Following a review, there will be a change of electoral boundaries in 2018. Corbyn wants all sitting Labour MPs to then face a re-selection process by local Party members.

With 80% of his own MPs no longer having confidence in him, it looks as though his plan is to have them replaced with a new cadre of loyalists. Since he has stronger support at grass-roots level than in the higher Labour Party echelons, he has a good chance of success with this strategy. It is speculated that this could lead to a break-up of the Labour Party.

It also means that I think it’s likely that he believes he’ll be Labour leader in 2018 and then going into the next General Election in 2020. Since the leadership contest between him and Owen Smith is voted on by all Labour Party members, there is a strong likelihood that this will be the case.

After a couple of decades of centrist politics, both of the big British political parties are moving away from the political middle ground.

And then Thatcher, much to her discredit, did nothing to groom or promote women within the party once she was PM. I’m not sure she even had any other women in the Cabinet by the time she was ousted.

You’ve missed Baroness Young.

And why should she have preferentially groomed women? That would have been sexist. AFAIAA she didn’t groom men either.

And you might care to visit this Wiki page which lists her ministers, with many women in lower, Ministerial, positions.

John Major had Gillian Shephard and Virginia Bottomley as Cabinet Members, again with many women in Ministerial positions.

Hague appointed May to his Shadow Cabinet and the rest, as they say, is history.

WTF are you talking about; Theresa May has just erected the biggest centre ground tent we’ve seen since Blair was a candidate.

It is no discredit to Thatcher at all. The record of females within the Tory Party has been just about acceptable. Female progress in the Party has not been great but neither has it been a disaster. In other words women have done fine by themselves without the help of Mrs T. In fact I would go as far to say Tory females politicians have generally proven themselves more professional than those in the Labour Party who were given a leg-up the ladder.

I mean the Tory Party aren’t entirely full of heavy hitting politicians, but the Tories look Churchillian in comparison to the current Labour lot. There must be some reason the most recent Labour leadership candidates include non-entities the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall, Andy Burnham, Angela Eagle and Owen bloody Smith. Yvette Cooper and Burnham are probably the only semi-competent amongst them. All female shortlists & positive discrimination have imo partly led to this dearth of talent within the Labour ranks.

I hoped Dan Jarvis would stand this time. Maybe next time …

I would place Theresa May to the right of David Cameron, she’s there on an anti-immigration mandate and I can’t see that there would be any chance whatsoever of the Liberal Democrats, were they still a force, being willing to form a coalition with them.

How on Earth do you see recent developments in the Conservative Party as a move towards the centre? :confused:

Since when does that make her right-wing? UKIP’s now the home of disgruntled Labour voters.

I think you are seriously, seriously misreading.

You still haven’t answered my question. I can’t see any argument you can make to support your statement whatsoever.

UKIP are viewed as being to the right of the Conservatives on the UK political spectrum. The referendum result endorsed UKIP’s principal aim and the Conservatives have now adopted that as their mainstream policy.

Here are the percentage of people who voted for Brexit broken down by their political persuasion, from left to right on the political spectrum.

Green Party: 25%
Labour: 37%
Liberal Democrats: 30%
Conservative: 58%
UKIP: 96%

The political spectrum is a horseshoe. The Nazi Party emerged from the German Workers’ Party and their official name was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

Surely you are aware of the link between anti-immigration rhetoric and the (far-)right? Wikipedia’s definition of “far-right politics”:

From Wikipedia’s page on right-wing populism in the United Kingdom:

A circular argument is a bad argument. Just because Wikipedia says that immigration is a right-wing issue does not make it true.

For Thatcher to have delighted in saying so often “If you want something said, get a man; if you want something done, get a woman,” and then to have appointed so few women to any position of prominence, and only a single one to the Cabinet in more than 11 years as PM, does not speak well of her. IMHO it’s hard to believe she could have found no others of merit.

There were many women in ministerial positions. Apparently none of them were good enough to step up to the Cabinet.

In 11 years? The mind boggles.

In fairness, during those same eleven years there were only four female members of the Labour Shadow Cabinet and never more than two in it at the same time.

Indeed. Also, just because the London media wanted to make it a racist issue didn’t make it a racist issue.

http://hurryupharry.org/2016/06/20/why-i-am-voting-leave-by-professor-alan-johnson/

Conversely, just because there were non-racist reasons to vote Leave doesn’t mean that substantial elements of the campaign weren’t based on racism and xenophobia.

Here’s some commentary on the rise of the politics of the extreme and the decline of centrist politics in the West.

British BBC journalist and political commentator Andrew Marr writing in March 2015, shows great prescience:

His comments on Scotland foreshadow the Brexit result (Scotland, unlike England or Wales, voted against Brexit):

From an article on the rise of the far-right in Europe in the British Telegraph (May 2016):

From Britain’s [*The Guardian *(May 2016)](Far-right surge in Austria signals end of centrist politics-as-usual | The far right | The Guardian

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From Canada’s The Globe and Mail (June 2016):