# Corey Lewandowski **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 30, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650 "2016-03-30T16:52:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/141 "2016-04-14T17:09:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > As I said? Do you mean as an un-named source said? At least according to the Politico reporter’s story. I’ve noticed in the past that many “news” stories have been poorly vetted, if they were vetted at all. I don’t mind questioning the stories or the “source”. You may feel differently. It’s quite unnecessary to continually announce that you have nothing to say and wish to withhold comment. We’re able to infer that from the sweet, precious silence. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/142 "2016-04-14T17:30:06Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s quite unnecessary to continually announce that you have nothing to say and wish to withhold comment. (post shortened) And yet you did just that. 😕 As you may, or may not, remember, I had wondered, "Who are these alleged “sources”? Maybe there will be an announcement, maybe there won’t. If there is, I’m sure the story will be highly entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/143 "2016-04-14T18:01:04Z")
CNN may have fallen [for the same “scam”](http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump-charges-dropped/) and in that story they say that a press conference will be held at 2pm today according to a statement by the Florida State attorney’s office. That might be a scam too though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/144 "2016-04-14T18:15:16Z")
Only caught part of the press conference. He absolutely grabbed her and pulled her back. No charges filed due to a feeling no conviction would be possible. It seems that a deliberate attempt at harm is the dividing line(if I understand it correctly). It was noted there was a SS agent right behind Trump who was unconcerned about the reporter’s presence. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/145 "2016-04-14T18:24:41Z")
[Confirmed by NBC.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051) Fields reportedly agreed to an apology from Lewandowski, which would have ended this situation before it started. Though it also sounds like Lewandowski may not have accepted that proposal yet. It may have predated the prosecution’s decision not to press charges. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/146 "2016-04-14T19:16:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No charges filed due to a feeling no conviction would be possible. It seems that a deliberate attempt at harm is the dividing line(if I understand it correctly). In Florida, criminal battery requires _either_ intentional bodily harm, or touching or striking against the will of the victim. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/147 "2016-04-14T19:58:38Z")
I’m just shocked… SHOCKED, I tell you, that \*\*doorhinge \*\*was wrong on this. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/148 "2016-04-14T20:13:51Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Only caught part of the press conference. > He absolutely grabbed her and pulled her back. > No charges filed due to a feeling no conviction would be possible. It seems that a deliberate attempt at harm is the dividing line(if I understand it correctly). > > It was noted there was a SS agent right behind Trump who was unconcerned about the reporter’s presence. The other video discussed by the SA shows the reporter first approaching Trump and touching Trump, who then pulled away. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose. _You touched me. You touched him first._ :rolleyes: _After reviewing the evidence in the case, the state attorney said he doesn’t feel there is enough evidence to pursue criminal charges. He explained that while police are required to meet a “probably cause” threshold to make an arrest, prosecutors must believe they have a chance to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the battery occurred and get a conviction_. > **[State won’t prosecute Trump’s campaign manager | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump-charges-dropped/)** > > Palm Beach County Florida State Attorney David Aronberg will not prosecute Donald Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, Aronberg announced Thursday. After reviewing the evidence, the prosecutors didn’t believe there was sufficient evidence to get a conviction. That’s the dividing line. It was also mentioned during the press conference that the reporter had provided cell phone pics of her arm taken after she had been grabbed. The Assistant SA said that those pics didn’t show any bruising. Pics taken days later did show bruising. What would a jury think? Reasonable doubt exists. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/149 "2016-04-14T20:21:42Z")
for historical reference - > [@doorhinge](#): > > Who are these alleged “sources”? Are their names being withheld for national security purposes. 😉 The official announcement, assuming there will be one, is supposed to be made Thursday (today) afternoon. I can wait for the official announcement. I wonder if this is a legitimate news story, or is someone scamming the news media and internet in order to renew interest in this tempest-in-a-teapot-let’s-blame-Trump-for-something-anything-everything movement (hehehe, I said “movement”)? Time will tell. > > \*A Florida prosecutor has decided not to prosecute Donald Trump’s campaign manager for battery after a March run-in with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, sources with knowledge of the situation told POLITICO. > > The decision not to press charges against Corey Lewandowski is scheduled to be announced on Thursday afternoon by Palm Beach County State Attorney David Aronberg. > > Fields may still pursue a defamation case against Lewandowski, a source said.\* > > Read more: [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-campaign-manager-lewandowski-221921#ixzz45oWTDAzI](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-campaign-manager-lewandowski-221921#ixzz45oWTDAzI) > [@GrandWino](#): > > I’m just shocked… SHOCKED, I tell you, that \*\*doorhinge \*\*was wrong on this. Which part did I get wrong? Please be specific. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/150 "2016-04-14T20:32:05Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > [Confirmed by NBC.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051) Fields reportedly agreed to an apology from Lewandowski, which would have ended this situation before it started. Though it also sounds like Lewandowski may not have accepted that proposal yet. It may have predated the prosecution’s decision not to press charges. (underline added) Which situation are you referring to, the reporter voluntarily quitting her job, the filing of charges, the dropping of charges, the lack of persuasive evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/151 "2016-04-14T20:49:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > After reviewing the evidence, the prosecutors didn’t believe there was sufficient evidence to get a conviction. That’s the dividing line. What I love is how people jump from that to “He’s innocent!” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/152 "2016-04-14T20:53:21Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (underline added) > > Which situation are you referring to, the reporter voluntarily quitting her job, the filing of charges, the dropping of charges, **the lack of persuasive evidence?** You mean where the prosecutor said he grabbed her? The lack of evidence had more to do with intent. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/153 "2016-04-14T22:36:03Z")
for historical reference - > [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > [Confirmed by NBC.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051) Fields reportedly agreed to an apology from Lewandowski, which would have ended this situation before it started. Though it also sounds like Lewandowski may not have accepted that proposal yet. It may have predated the prosecution’s decision not to press charges. (underline added) for historical reference - > [@doorhinge](#): > > (underline added) > > Which situation are you referring to, the reporter voluntarily quitting her job, the filing of charges, the dropping of charges, the lack of persuasive evidence? > [@running\_coach](#): > > You mean where the prosecutor said he grabbed her? > The lack of evidence had more to do with intent. I was wondering which “situation” **oft wears hats** was referring to. Since video evidence exists that the reporter grabbed Trump and that Lewandowski grabbed the reporter, the prosecutor should charge/not charge both the reporter and Lewandowski for committing similar crimes. Shouldn’t charge one without charging the other. That wouldn’t be fair. Assuming that the defense attorney would have been allowed to actually mount a defense, the reporters own story and pictures, plus the full length videos, would have undermined her case. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/154 "2016-04-14T22:45:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Since video evidence exists that the reporter grabbed Trump and that Lewandowski grabbed the reporter, the prosecutor should charge/not charge both the reporter and Lewandowski for committing similar crimes. Shouldn’t charge one without charging the other. That wouldn’t be fair. [From here.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051) > [@](#): > > He also said that Trump had contacted his office to argue against charging Lewandowski and pointed out that Fields had touched him. But that contact was considered “incidental” and did not rise to the level of criminal conduct, Aronberg said. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/155 "2016-04-14T22:54:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > From here. > > Quote: > He also said that Trump had contacted his office to argue against charging Lewandowski and pointed out that Fields had touched him. But that contact was considered “incidental” and did not rise to the level of criminal conduct, Aronberg said. It appears that neither touching incident rose to the level of criminal conduct. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/156 "2016-04-14T23:01:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It appears that neither touching incident rose to the level of criminal conduct. He didn’t touch, [he grabbed.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051) > [@](#): > > Lewandowski, 42, was charged by police with simple battery after Breitbart News reporter Michelle Fields accused him of grabbing her as she attempted to ask Trump a question at a March 8 campaign event at Trump International Golf Club in Jupiter. But on Thursday, \*\*Palm Beach County prosecutors said that while Lewandowski had grabbed Fields \*\*— contradicting the aide’s denials — the evidence was not strong enough to support a criminal prosecution. And of course, he lied about it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/157 "2016-04-14T23:39:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He didn’t touch, he grabbed. > > And of course, he lied about it. Touch, grabbed, fondled, felt up? The prosecutor’s office doesn’t believe they have sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Did anyone involved lie under oath? They could be charged for lying under oath. Or was the denial more likely some sort of Miss Understanding? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/158 "2016-04-14T23:42:21Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Touch, grabbed, fondled, felt up? The prosecutor’s office doesn’t believe they have sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. > > Did anyone involved lie under oath? They could be charged for lying under oath. Or was the denial more likely some sort of Miss Understanding? I thought you had watched the video? What are you babbling about? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/159 "2016-04-14T23:52:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Touch, grabbed, fondled, felt up? The prosecutor’s office doesn’t believe they have sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. > > Did anyone involved lie under oath? They could be charged for lying under oath. Or was the denial more likely some sort of Miss Understanding? Lies don’t count unless they’re under oath? And the quote clearly said “grabbed”. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650/160 "2016-04-15T00:19:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > … let’s-blame-Trump-for-something-anything-everything Who’s blamed Trump for this? You’ve said this a couple of times now and I’ve pointed out before that I don’t think this is accurate. Be specific. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corey-lewandowski/750650.md?page=9)