# Cornell frat suspended for game in which men compete to have sex with overweight women **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385 "2018-02-07T20:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/1 "2018-02-07T20:18:46Z")
[https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/cornell-fraternity-zeta-beta-tau-suspended-for-offensive-pig-roast-game.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/cornell-fraternity-zeta-beta-tau-suspended-for-offensive-pig-roast-game.html) > [@](#): > > A Cornell fraternity has been placed on probation after its members conducted a contest they called a “pig roast,” in which men competed to sleep with women they consider overweight. OK, pig roast as a title is totally offensive and well out of order. These guys need to be punished for that alone, it’s needlessly cruel. Hogging as a description is equally offensive, But apart from the terms is this really so bad? The women targeted get an opportunity to get laid which they’re quite at liberty to refuse (but, let’s face it, if they are really overweight those opportunities may be few and far between) and some of the guys may find to their surprise there’s a really nice woman in there. Bar those names, which unfortunately are a fact of life in college, I see no downside here (although it’s been so long since I was an undergrad that I’m perfectly willing to be told that I’m wrong and things have changed (it certainly doesn’t sound like it though!) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/2 "2018-02-07T20:30:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > OK, pig roast as a title is totally offensive and well out of order. These guys need to be punished for that alone, it’s needlessly cruel. Hogging as a description is equally offensive, But apart from the terms is this really so bad? The women targeted get an opportunity to get laid which they’re quite at liberty to refuse (but, let’s face it, if they are really overweight those opportunities may be few and far between) and some of the guys may find to their surprise there’s a really nice woman in there. What a sweet story that would be! Boy fucks girl in a misogynist game designed around humiliating women for sport, boy falls in love with girl that he humiliated. Talk about meet cute! Your depiction of fat women as desperate for some D is a little…off. If the women are so desperate for fratdong that they’re willing to be semipublicly humiliated to get it, why not make the game clear? The fratboys can tell the women, “Hey, I want to fuck you so that I can tell my bros what a disgusting thing I did by putting my penis in a fat woman. Are you hot yet?” If they’re laying their cards on the table, and the woman is down with the plan, I can’t say I care that much. But this is a classic example of sex-by-deception: I strongly doubt that the women are having sex knowing what the dude’s plan is, and I strongly doubt that any of these women would have gone through with it knowing what the back story was. So yeah, it’s pretty fucking gross. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/3 "2018-02-07T20:30:26Z")
A fraternity holding any sort of formal competition among its members concerning whom they sleep with is wholly unacceptable, and it is not made any more acceptable by the people being slept with being considered less desirable to **aldiboronti**. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/4 "2018-02-07T20:36:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Your depiction of fat women as desperate for some D is a little…off. If the women are so desperate for fratdong that they’re willing to be semipublicly humiliated to get it, why not make the game clear? Public humiliation isn’t even that obscure of a fetish. They’d probably be able to get some legitimate bites on that hook. Aside from that, sex by deception is indeed disgusting and should be punished. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/5 "2018-02-07T20:43:02Z")
“fratdong” That alone makes the thread almost worth it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/6 "2018-02-07T21:09:24Z")
Why are colleges in the business of surpressing speech? And isn’t “hogging” its own punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/7 "2018-02-07T21:22:28Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > OK, pig roast as a title is totally offensive and well out of order. These guys need to be punished for that alone, it’s needlessly cruel. Hogging as a description is equally offensive, But apart from the terms is this really so bad? The women targeted get an opportunity to get laid which they’re quite at liberty to refuse (but, let’s face it, if they are really overweight those opportunities may be few and far between) and some of the guys may find to their surprise there’s a really nice woman in there. > > Bar those names, which unfortunately are a fact of life in college, I see no downside here (although it’s been so long since I was an undergrad that I’m perfectly willing to be told that I’m wrong and things have changed (it certainly doesn’t sound like it though!) I find it hard to take your question seriously. From the article you linked to: > [@Slate article](#): > > [The perpetrators] talked about taking large women to their car for oral sex and then kicking them out, calling them derogatory names … On the off chance that you’re being serious, I hope that helps resolve any struggles you’re having with the downside. > [@octopus](#): > > And isn’t “hogging” its own punishment? Classy. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/8 "2018-02-07T21:46:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What a sweet story that would be! Boy fucks girl in a misogynist game designed around humiliating women for sport, boy falls in love with girl that he humiliated. Talk about meet cute! … and it’s [been done already](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight_(film)). ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/9 "2018-02-07T21:51:14Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > OK, pig roast as a title is totally offensive and well out of order. These guys need to be punished for that alone, it’s needlessly cruel. Hogging as a description is equally offensive, But apart from the terms is this really so bad? The women targeted get an opportunity to get laid which they’re quite at liberty to refuse (but, let’s face it, if they are really overweight those opportunities may be few and far between) and some of the guys may find to their surprise there’s a really nice woman in there. > > Bar those names, which unfortunately are a fact of life in college, I see no downside here (although it’s been so long since I was an undergrad that I’m perfectly willing to be told that I’m wrong and things have changed (it certainly doesn’t sound like it though!) Even if you pare it down to a “have sex with a lot of women” there is a problem. Sex as competitive sport encourages deception at the very least. Lying to someone, including lying by omission, to get them to have sex with you, is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/10 "2018-02-07T21:58:17Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > … and it’s [been done already](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight_(film)). [Many](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_All_That) [times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film)) [over](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(play)). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/11 "2018-02-07T22:32:21Z")
Reminds me of the [Spur Posse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spur_Posse). ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/12 "2018-02-07T23:04:42Z")
And then there’s all these frat guys judging which women are fat enough to be part of this game. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/13 "2018-02-07T23:20:11Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > I find it hard to take your question seriously. From the article you linked to:On the off chance that you’re being serious, I hope that helps resolve any struggles you’re having with the downside. > > Classy. The whole concept is trashy. Doesn’t mean it’s the university’s job to get involved. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/14 "2018-02-07T23:31:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The whole concept is trashy. Doesn’t mean it’s the university’s job to get involved. It’s not really their job to stay silent either. Image/reputation probably correlates with money at some point, so if they feel they have a financial stake, then meh, let 'em flex their muscles. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/15 "2018-02-07T23:43:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The whole concept is trashy. Doesn’t mean it’s the university’s job to get involved. Since the university allows the frats/sororities to operate on campus/“under their flag”, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/16 "2018-02-08T00:31:50Z")
Back when I was in HS sadly we did something similar. for one dance we “elected” the least attractive women for dance queen. Our teacher later chewed us out (why he didnt stop us is beyond me) but also admitted the girls had done something similar the previous year by electing an unpopular boy for dance king. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/17 "2018-02-08T01:26:08Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Back when I was in HS sadly we did something similar. for one dance we “elected” the least attractive women for dance queen. > > Our teacher later chewed us out (why he didnt stop us is beyond me) but also admitted the girls had done something similar the previous year by electing an unpopular boy for dance king. Yeah, that one’s a pretty ancient prank. Ya jus’ don’ wanna be there when the [prom queen takes revenge](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074285/?ref_=nv_sr_4). –G! ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/18 "2018-02-08T01:32:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why are colleges in the business of surpressing speech? What speech are you talking about? Did they ban the participants from talking about it? No. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/19 "2018-02-08T02:13:22Z")
If the guys were not turned on they wouldn’t be able to get it up. Who are they trying to fool, maybe the overweight chicks are the only ones they think they have a chance with. My son had a band for several years called the chubby chasers. They played on clubs that were frequented by plus size women. My sons wife is a hottey but they all played the part that chubby was their thing. Funny thing was that 2 of the single guys in the band actually started becoming attracted to the larger women. Once they got to know them they really liked them. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385/20 "2018-02-08T02:23:54Z")
Large women aren’t necessarily deprived when it comes to sex. There’s a certain branch of males who are into sex with plus size gals, and not to degrade and humiliate them either. They just find huge women attractive. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cornell-frat-suspended-for-game-in-which-men-compete-to-have-sex-with-overweight-women/808385.md?page=2)