# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2287 "2020-04-12T18:22:03Z")
I saw an estimate of $75K for an uninsured US COVID hospitalization earlier this month. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2288 "2020-04-12T20:24:36Z")
> [@susan](#): > > I saw an estimate of $75K for an uninsured US COVID hospitalization earlier this month. Kaiser will cover 100% if you have Kaiser. Very nice gesture. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2289 "2020-04-12T20:26:25Z")
To refute a common Facebook post: > **[No, the coronavirus is not the leading cause of death in the US, CDC says](https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/2020/04/12/no-the-coronavirus-is-not-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us-cdc-says/)** > > Even though the coronavirus pandemic continues to take lives across the United States, Covid-19 has not become the leading cause of death in the nation, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed to CNN. \*No, the coronavirus is not the leading cause of death in the US, CDC says…We have limited data on 2020 deaths by cause, and no final official numbers yet for 2019, but we do know by looking at the final death totals in 2018 for the two leading causes of death in the U.S., Heart Disease and Cancer, there is no way that at this point COVID-19 comes anywhere close to those totals," Lancashire said in the email. He noted that between January and April in 2018, more than 234,000 people in the United States died of heart disease and nearly 199,000 died of cancer. So far during the coronavirus pandemic, there have been about 16,700 Covid-19 deaths in the United States, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University.\* But Covid can still take the #1 spot- maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2290 "2020-04-12T20:59:11Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I cannot speak for India or Maharastra. But here in Pakistan, they started to shut down nonemergency and urgent cases in hospitals in mid-March. > Your friend was going to an expensive private hospital. It was canceled. Its like having planned on an expensive meal in a high-end restaurant and then finding due to rationing, reservation is cancelled and you have to eat stuff according a ration card, like everyone else. You are getting food, just not what you wanted. > > It’s the same. There is access. There is access to some kind of care, sure. But the original plan was at an obstetrics-only hospital, and they closed the whole place. It wasn’t like having an elective surgery cancelled; you don’t get to decide when you go into labor. And the facility wasn’t converted to COVID care only, it was closed entirely. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2291 "2020-04-12T21:07:19Z")
Today in Austria: [ul] [li] As of 09:30 this morning, for the first time since the crisis began, there were more people who have recovered from Covid-19 (6987) than currently afflicted with it (6608). The number of Covid-19 patients in intensive care continues to sink (though the numbers released by the health ministry don’t make it clear whether this is due to deaths or to recoveries).[/li] [li] As previously announced, many stores will be permitted to reopen on Tuesday. I went for a walk today and saw lots of activity in the shops preparing for the reopening.[/li] [li] Current statistics: 13,937 confirmed infections, 350 deaths, 6987 recovered.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2292 "2020-04-12T21:33:06Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > Today in Austria: > > [ul] > > [li] As of 09:30 this morning, for the first time since the crisis began, there were more people who have recovered from Covid-19 (6987) than currently afflicted with it (6608). The number of Covid-19 patients in intensive care continues to sink (though the numbers released by the health ministry don’t make it clear whether this is due to deaths or to recoveries).[/li] > [li] As previously announced, many stores will be permitted to reopen on Tuesday. I went for a walk today and saw lots of activity in the shops preparing for the reopening.[/li] > [li] Current statistics: 13,937 confirmed infections, 350 deaths, 6987 recovered.[/li][/ul] That’s encouraging… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2293 "2020-04-12T21:34:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > To refute a common Facebook post: > [No, the coronavirus is not the leading cause of death in the US, CDC says](https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/2020/04/12/no-the-coronavirus-is-not-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us-cdc-says/) > > \*No, the coronavirus is not the leading cause of death in the US, CDC says…We have limited data on 2020 deaths by cause, and no final official numbers yet for 2019, but we do know by looking at the final death totals in 2018 for the two leading causes of death in the U.S., Heart Disease and Cancer, there is no way that at this point COVID-19 comes anywhere close to those totals," Lancashire said in the email. > > He noted that between January and April in 2018, more than 234,000 people in the United States died of heart disease and nearly 199,000 died of cancer. > > So far during the coronavirus pandemic, there have been about 16,700 Covid-19 deaths in the United States, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University. > \* If you’re referring to the bar graphic linked in [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=893948), [Newsweek disagrees](https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-becomes-number-one-cause-death-per-day-us-surpassing-heart-disease-cancer-1495607). ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2294 "2020-04-12T22:35:03Z")
It’s not the leading cause of death for the year, but it has become the leading cause of death per day now. And a large part of that is likely it killing off people with conditions that are among the most common causes of death but being attributed only to the new virus and not the underlying condition which would have killed them later this year or the next. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2295 "2020-04-12T22:59:34Z")
a local high end grocery chain is making customers wear a mask. Considering their high prices I hope they are handing out free masks. > **[The Fresh Market to require shoppers to wear face coverings starting Tuesday](https://abc11.com/fresh-market-wear-masks-at-face-covid-19-spread/6096324/)** > > Next time you head to Fresh Market you will need to be equipped with a mask, the store will now require guests to wear some form of a face-covering to combat the spread of COVID-19. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2296 "2020-04-13T00:08:54Z")
Crazy person over on another Board ranting at me, because the [del]Magic Fish Ick Cure[/del] Anti-Malaria drug isn’t approved yet. Apparently, pointing that out means I hate America.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2297 "2020-04-13T00:22:37Z")
499 confirmed cases in Hawaii now and nine deaths. of the 499, Oahu has 350. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2298 "2020-04-13T00:23:54Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > a local high end grocery chain is making customers wear a mask. Considering their high prices I hope they are handing out free masks. > > [Coronavirus: The Fresh Market to require shoppers to wear face coverings amid COVID-19 - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham](https://abc11.com/fresh-market-wear-masks-at-face-covid-19-spread/6096324/) Not sure if you are complaining about doing a very simple thing to help to protect the health of essential workers or the price of organic arugula… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2299 "2020-04-13T00:29:24Z")
> **[21 million Chinese died of coronavirus - US intelligence officials intercept...](https://web.archive.org/web/20200406190917/https://n5ti.com/health/1233/)** > > A new data intercepted by the United States reveals that 21 million people died in China from December 2019 to March 2020, US intelligence officials conclude in a classified report for the Trump administration. The Intelligence report stated that at... \*21 million Chinese died of coronavirus – US intelligence officials intercept data new data intercepted by the United States reveals that 21 million people died in China from December 2019 to March 2020, US intelligence officials conclude in a classified report for the Trump administration. The Intelligence report stated that at least 20.9 million of the deaths were linked to coronavirus. According to the US, the intercepted data that shows that China underreported its coronavirus infections and deaths was validated for a second time when it tallied with a data released by Beijing authorities. Beijing announced on March 19 that over 21 million cell phone accounts in China were canceled in the past three months while 840,000 landlines were closed. China had reported little over 81,000 infections with 3,300 deaths.\* However, take that with a grain of salt: > **[Did Millions of Canceled Cellphones Reveal Unreported Coronavirus Deaths in...](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/china-cellphones-coronavirus/)** > > American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the true death toll from the coronavirus. BUT, altho 21Million is likely way too high, the real number is much higher that China reported > **[C.I.A. Hunts for Authentic Virus Totals in China, Dismissing Government...](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html)** > > Intelligence officials have told the White House for weeks that China has vastly understated the spread of the coronavirus and the damage the pandemic has done. \*But American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the virus and is as blind as the rest of the world. Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said. Bureaucratic misreporting is a chronic problem for any government, but it has grown worse in China as the Communist leadership has taken a more authoritarian turn in recent years under Mr. Xi.\* ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2300 "2020-04-13T00:47:20Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > a local high end grocery chain is making customers wear a mask. Considering their high prices I hope they are handing out free masks. > > [Coronavirus: The Fresh Market to require shoppers to wear face coverings amid COVID-19 - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham](https://abc11.com/fresh-market-wear-masks-at-face-covid-19-spread/6096324/) In the entirety of Los Angeles County all shoppers must wear masks. So, get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2301 "2020-04-13T01:00:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > [https://web.archive.org/web/20200406190917/https://n5ti.com/health/1233/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200406190917/https://n5ti.com/health/1233/) > > \*21 million Chinese died of coronavirus – US intelligence officials intercept data > new data intercepted by the United States reveals that 21 million people died in China from December 2019 to March 2020, US intelligence officials conclude in a classified report for the Trump administration. > > The Intelligence report stated that at least 20.9 million of the deaths were linked to coronavirus. > > According to the US, the intercepted data that shows that China underreported its coronavirus infections and deaths was validated for a second time when it tallied with a data released by Beijing authorities. Beijing announced on March 19 that over 21 million cell phone accounts in China were canceled in the past three months while 840,000 landlines were closed. > > China had reported little over 81,000 infections with 3,300 deaths.\* Nice cite. :rolleyes: Can you tell us all who James Alami is and what the website “News NT” is and where it is located? Because it looks like a Russian troll’s blog-for-fake-news masquerading as a news site. Every article on the site is by “James Alami”; there’s no “About” on the home page and the actual URL for that story is [https://n5ti.com/health/1233/](https://n5ti.com/health/1233/) In fact, [a little digging shows that n5ti.com is a known “fake news” website.](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&biw=1272&bih=943&ei=P7mTXsiOKoLe-gT2uagI&q=what+is+n5ti.com&oq=what+is+n5ti.com&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCABKCQgXEgUxMS03NkoICBgSBDExLTNQAFgAYIicAWgAcAB4AIABWYgB2wGSAQEzmAEAqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiIqrCrmeToAhUCr54KHfYcCgEQ4dUDCAs&uact=5) FFS, it’s pretty obvious looking at it when all the bylines are exactly the same name and every story is undated. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2302 "2020-04-13T01:01:20Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > It’s not the leading cause of death for the year, but it has become the leading cause of death per day now. And a large part of that is likely it killing off people with conditions that are among the most common causes of death but being attributed only to the new virus and not the underlying condition which would have killed them later this year or the next. Cause of death is always a squishy statistic. My husband’s uncle was found dead in his apartment. The cause of death was listed as “heart attack”. No doubt his heart stopped at some point, but my husband has reason to believe he died of a bowel obstruction. My father’s death certificate also says “heart attack”, but the autopsy showed that suffered a pulmonary embolism. They never updated the official cause of death, though. Point being partly that I’m pretty sure the number of “deaths from heart attack” is greatly overstated, because it’s the default, but also that a lot of the time no one really knows the cause of death, or even if they do, it might not be what’s recorded. My best guess is that the “covid” count is understated, because a lot of people die without getting tested. But I’m certain there are errors in both directions. Also, just looking at the raw mortality numbers in NYC, covid is by far the leading cause of death **there** right now… unless you think a lot of people just coincidentally died of heart attacks and non-covid pneumonia in the past couple of weeks. I mean, they literally have bodies stacked in refrigerated trucks because they can’t deal with them. Was it the leading cause of death this week in the US? My guess is “yes”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2303 "2020-04-13T01:09:39Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Nice cite. :rolleyes: > > Can you tell us all who James Alami is and what the website “News NT” is and where it is located? Because it looks like a Russian troll’s blog-for-fake-news masquerading as a news site. Every article on the site is by “James Alami”; there’s no “About” on the home page and the actual URL for that story is [https://n5ti.com/health/1233/](https://n5ti.com/health/1233/) > > In fact, …a little digging shows that [n5ti.com](http://n5ti.com) is a known “fake news” website. > > FFS, it’s pretty obvious looking at it when all the bylines are exactly the same name and every story is undated. It’s actually been reported by several rather dubious sites. \*_Note that I did post the Snope cite partially debuking it. \*\* \* “However, take that with a grain of salt”:_ It still is being passed around a lot, false or no. In fact it does seem like the number of cell phones is more or less correct. Of course, that doesnt mean dead people. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2304 "2020-04-13T01:43:36Z")
There’s an 11pm-5am curfew on Oahu and Maui for Easter weekend, Friday night through tomorrow morning. With everything closed, not sure where you’d go to anyway. Kauai has had a nighttime curfew for several weeks now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2305 "2020-04-13T02:03:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s actually been reported by several rather dubious sites. > > \*_Note that I did post the Snope cite partially debuking it. \*\* > \* > “However, take that with a grain of salt”:_ > > It still is being passed around a lot, false or no. In fact it does seem like the number of cell phones is more or less correct. Of course, that doesnt mean dead people. Perhaps you missed the “Breaking Bullshit & Rumors” thread; it’s down the hall. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2306 "2020-04-13T04:33:37Z")
1,853,327 confirmed infections 114,250 dead 423,692 recovered In the US: 560,433 confirmed infections 22,115 dead 32,634 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 1,780,315 confirmed infections > 108,828 dead > 404,031 recovered > > In the US: > > 532,879 confirmed infections > 20,577 dead > 30,453 recovered [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=116)