# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758>\
**Category:** The Quarantine Zone\
**Tags:** covid-quarantine\
**Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2587 "2020-04-21T12:28:50Z")

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> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#):
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> The [astrology subreddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/fhzlwl/corona_virus_megathread/) has a corona megathread. I wonder how the crystal healing people are doing.

I’m really disappointed in the homeopathy crowd. I’m not seeing corona remedies touted.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2588 "2020-04-21T12:41:10Z")

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> [@kayaker](#):
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> I’m really disappointed in the homeopathy crowd. I’m not seeing corona remedies touted.

Isn’t homeopathy just molecules practicing social distancing?

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**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2589 "2020-04-21T12:46:21Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Isn’t homeopathy just molecules practicing social distancing?

You do not get this sort of high-quality comment elsewhere.

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2590 "2020-04-21T12:58:11Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Isn’t homeopathy just molecules practicing social distancing?

😃  
Noice!

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**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2591 "2020-04-21T13:08:40Z")

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> [@kayaker](#):
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> I’m really disappointed in the homeopathy crowd. I’m not seeing corona remedies touted.

The couple of cases of quack remedies that I have heard about got smacked down pretty quickly.

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**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2592 "2020-04-21T13:16:07Z")

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> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#):
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> In [Philadelphia,](https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/bodies-pick-up-truck-medical-examiner-ford-overflow-storage-20200420.html) one hospital recently delived four or five dead bodies to the medical examiner in an open pickup truck. Probably a combination of a lack of the usual transport + a lack of judgement.

Those people were no Einstei–oh, wait…

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**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2593 "2020-04-21T13:35:26Z")

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South Dakota is an interesting case because of 1685 positive cases, 1405 are in just one county. Minnehaha county, where Sioux Falls is and it looks like much is connected to a meatpacking plant there. [LINK](https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx)

The governor [ordered the plant closed](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/834470141/how-one-city-mayor-forced-a-pork-giant-to-close-its-virus-stricken-plant). It happens to be one of the biggest employers in the city.

Indian reservations take up alot of land in the state and they have put up [their own border restrictions.](https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/pine-ridge-reservation-restricts-non-residents-to-prevent-coronavirus/article_88e81a86-adde-502d-bdc3-7f6163bf1734.html)

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**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2594 "2020-04-21T16:20:43Z")

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> **[Study: Rate Of Coronavirus Infections In LA Up To 55 Times Higher Than...](https://studyfinds.org/study-rate-of-coronavirus-infections-in-la-up-to-55-times-higher-than-confirmed-cases/)**
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> Confirmed coronavirus cases only tell a portion of the story in any area, but a new study out of Los Angeles county has come to a startling conclusion.

Well this is scary…

> [@](#):
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> LOS ANGELES — Confirmed coronavirus cases only tell a portion of the story in any area, but a new study out of Los Angeles County has come to a startling conclusion. Based on the first round of antibody testing, 4.1% of the county’s entire adult population has an antibody for the coronavirus.
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> After adjusting for statistical margin of error, that means anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 local adults in Los Angeles have been infected by the coronavirus. That number is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed COVID-19 cases in LA at the time the study was conducted earlier this month.

I hope I can access the internet in hea…err…hell.

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**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2595 "2020-04-21T17:16:48Z")

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> [@madsircool](#):
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> [Study: Rate Of Coronavirus Infections In LA Up To 55 Times Higher Than Confirmed Cases - Study Finds](https://www.studyfinds.org/study-rate-of-coronavirus-infections-in-la-up-to-55-times-higher-than-confirmed-cases/)
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> Well this is scary…
> 
> I hope I can access the internet in hea…err…hell.

So that’s scary, in that there are tons of people out there in the wild, breathing all over everything. But isn’t it also somewhat reassuring that so many people may have gotten the disease with no or few symptoms? Am I thinking about that correctly?

On the other hand, I find the people dropping dead on the subway platform story that \*\*Paul in Qatar \*\*posted to be like something from a horror movie.

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**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2596 "2020-04-21T17:29:56Z")

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> [@C3](#):
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> So that’s scary, in that there are tons of people out there in the wild, breathing all over everything. But isn’t it also somewhat reassuring that so many people may have gotten the disease with no or few symptoms? Am I thinking about that correctly?
> 
> On the other hand, I find the people dropping dead on the subway platform story that \*\*Paul in Qatar \*\*posted to be like something from a horror movie.

Thats a good point. After reading the above linked article I came across a study pointing to different strains of coronavirus and that the NYC strain was more deadly than the West Coast strain.

> **[Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains new study finds](https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333)**
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> The study was carried out by Professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China and published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on website medRxiv.org on Sunday.

> [@](#):
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> The study could have future implications on the treatment of coronavirus, as several different strains have been found throughout the world. The United States, which has the world’s worst death toll at 42,897, and 799,515 overall cases, has been struck by different mutations. New York, which itself had the worst death rate in the US, and the eastern coast show a strain of coronavirus similar to that found in Europe, whereas the western US has shown similarities with strains found in China.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2597 "2020-04-21T18:59:31Z")

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> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#):
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> [Andrew Cuomo … says that] 80% of people who go on ventilators will not go off and will eventually die…

This is a very somber fact. Especially since many of the most seriously ill who do recover will suffer life-long damage to lungs (or other organs including liver or heart).

What is the comparable figure when ventilators are used in the treatment of other ailments? (I’m not blaming the ventilators, just trying to grasp the level of desperation to use ventilators at all.)

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2598 "2020-04-21T19:56:09Z")

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So, according to [Worldometer](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/), New York has now passed 1000 deaths per million residents, which is of course 1 death per 1000 residents. Not per 1000 people in New York City, not per known suspected or selected Covid-19 cases: everybody.

If I’m understanding the math correctly, that means .1% of the population of the State of New York has died from the Coronavirus in the past six weeks, and New Jersey’s stat is nearly half of that. That is truly shocking. If I’m missing something, please correct me, but wow.

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**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2599 "2020-04-21T20:11:48Z")

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Today in Austria:

[ul]  
[li] Various cities and states are planning to gradually ease the lockdown rules for **nursing homes**. As a first step, relatives will be allowed to visit residents in special rooms partitioned by a plexiglass screen.[/li]  
[li] The country’s **Constitutional Court** has before it 20 cases involving coronavirus-related measures. The Court is fast-tracking these cases, though it’s still unlikely that any of them will be heard before June.[/li]  
[li] There are over 871,000 employees on furlough, with the government’s financial aid package mandating a lot of paperwork for their employers. **Payroll processors and tax advisors** report that they are overwhelmed with work. I have a somewhat complicated income tax situation myself (due to an international move last year and special Austrian tax rules for incoming scientists) and so had enlisted two tax advisors, one in Germany and one in Austria, to handle my returns for 2019. They were supposed to have begun work in mid-March, but both of them have put my assignment on hold indefinitely as they frantically work to help their other clients with financial aid issues.[/li]  
[li] **Reporters Without Borders** has just dowgraded Austria two ranks on its 2020 Press Freedom Index, from 16th to 18th place. Some newspapers here are implying that this is a result of the government’s pandemic control measures, though this probably isn’t the case—the 2020 Index is supposed to reflect the situation in 2019, and most or all of the data it is based on was probably gathered before the pandemic took hold in Europe. It will be interesting to see what the rankings look like next year.[/li]  
[li] Tomorrow Parliament’s lower chamber will decide upon a **legal definition of coronavirus risk groups** (i.e., what age groups and what pre-existing health conditions qualify someone as being particularly at risk). This definition can then be referenced by other laws and regulations for the purposes of determining financial aid, legal protections, etc.[/li]  
[li] The federal and state governments are stepping up their support for **psychological help** , with new and better-funded hotlines offering free professional psychotherapy and similar services.[/li]  
[li] With all the brouhaha over discussions to **open up Austria’s border to German tourists** , the EU Ministry of Tourism has stepped in calling for a coordinated, EU-wide plan for cross-border tourism.[/li]  
[li] Current statistics: 14,810 confirmed infections, 491 deaths, 10,971 recovered. At least one state (Salzburg) has recorded no new infections in the last two days.[/li][/ul]

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**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2600 "2020-04-21T20:33:22Z")

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> [@Dr.Drake](#):
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> So, according to [Worldometer](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/), New York has now passed 1000 deaths per million residents, which is of course 1 death per 1000 residents. Not per 1000 people in New York City, not per known suspected or selected Covid-19 cases: everybody.
> 
> If I’m understanding the math correctly, that means .1% of the population of the State of New York has died from the Coronavirus in the past six weeks, and New Jersey’s stat is nearly half of that. That is truly shocking. If I’m missing something, please correct me, but wow.

Nope, you got it.

The US as a whole is up to 44,752 deaths as I post this. In comparison, in 2019…

36,560 Americans died in automobile accidents

34,200 died of the flu

Only 13,468 to go before we match the number of Americans dead in the entire Vietnam conflict!

We’ve already blown past the Korean conflict total of around 40,000.

At this rate we’ll have around 350,000 dead of covid-19 within a year, that is, by the end of next February. Maybe a bit more, say 400,000. The only causes of death in 2019 that exceed that number were heart disease (around 647,000) and cancer (around 600,000). A death toll from covid-19 that high would outrank the other 8 of the top 10 leading causes of death: accidents, COPD, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, flu & pneumonia (combined), kidney disease, and suicide. In fact, it would be about the same as suicide, kidney disease, flu, pneumonia, diabetes, and Alzheimer’s _combined_. We’re currently on track (if I’ve done my math right) for covid-19, a disease that didn’t even exist before the end of last year, to be the cause of **13%** of deaths in the US in 2020.

That’s _assuming_ the death rate doesn’t increase from this day going forward… which if certain people keep insisting on congregating in large groups and playing pass-the-virus is not going to be the case.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2601 "2020-04-21T20:52:38Z")

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[More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study](https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2)

> [@](#):
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> A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.
> 
> The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.
> 
> The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

[Here is a direct link to the study.](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf)

> [@](#):
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> About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
> 
> Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.
> 
> Researchers did not track side effects, but noted a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

The article notes:

> [@](#):
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> Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a study testing chloroquine, an older drug similar to hydroxychloroquine, after heart rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.

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**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2602 "2020-04-21T22:01:03Z")

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[Officials: 7 virus cases appear related to in-person voting in Wisconsin](https://apnews.com/a58a906fce99a6e0519048536ed65a52)

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> Health officials in Wisconsin said they have identified at least seven people who appear to have contracted the coronavirus from participating in the April 7 election, the first such cases following in-person voting that was held despite widespread concern about the public health risks.
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> The cases involve six voters and one poll worker in Milwaukee, where difficulty finding poll workers forced the city to pare nearly 200 voting locations back to just five, and where voters — some in masks, some with no protection — were forced to wait in long lines for hours.
> 
> The conditions of the seven weren’t immediately available. City health commissioner Jeanette Kowalik told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that she hopes to have more information later in the week. Kowalik’s office didn’t immediately respond to a question from The Associated Press asking how city health officials were able to trace the infections to the election.

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**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\
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Governor Lee says Tennessee will open up by April 30th.  
God help us, it’s too soon.

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**Post date:** [April 21, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2604 "2020-04-21T22:35:44Z")

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> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Nope, you got it.
> 
> The US as a whole is up to 44,752 deaths as I post this. In comparison, in 2019…
> 
> 36,560 Americans died in automobile accidents
> 
> 34,200 died of the flu
> 
> Only 13,468 to go before we match the number of Americans dead in the entire Vietnam conflict!
> 
> We’ve already blown past the Korean conflict total of around 40,000.

Up to 45,172 as I type this. At the end of March, the (revised) total was just over 5000.

So \>40,000 people have died of COVID-19 _just this month_. And it’s still only the _21st_ of the month.

So the coronavirus has killed the equivalent of a year’s worth of motor vehicle deaths, or the number of Korean War deaths, _in less than three weeks_.

Just a bad flu season. ☹

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**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2605 "2020-04-22T00:23:58Z")

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**[CDC director warns second wave of coronavirus this winter will likely be worse](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/cdc-director-warns-second-wave-of-coronavirus-this-winter-will-likely-be-worse/)**

> [@](#):
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> Having two simultaneous respiratory outbreaks would put unimaginable strain on the [U.S.] health-care system, he said. The first wave of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, has already killed more than 42,000 people across the country. It has already overwhelmed hospitals and revealed gaping shortages in test kits, ventilators and protective equipment for health-care workers.
> 
> In a wide-ranging interview, Redfield said federal and state officials need to use the coming months to prepare for what lies ahead. As stay-at-home orders are lifted, officials need to stress the continued importance of social distancing. Officials also need to need to massively scale up their ability to identify the infected through testing and find everyone they interact with through contact tracing. Doing so prevents new cases from becoming larger outbreaks.

Director Redfield surely hope that this kind of warning will mobilize actions needed to prevent the warning (which isn’t quite as clear-cut as the headline makes out) from coming true.

But I’m not seeing much of what is needed to turn the U.S. onto the path of South Korea or Taiwan, where health is maintained without shutting down the economy

– Little to none of the massive increase in U.S. government spending is targeted at ramping up a virus testing industry

– No push to hire the [army of contact tracers](https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/we-may-need-300000-contact-tracers-to-defeat-covid-19-we-have-2200/) that would be needed to track down and quarantine those people in contact with anyone who tests positive

– Little in the way of free hotel accommodations needed to prevent the quarantined from infecting their family

– The public debate, with its focus on how long to lock down, barely acknowledges the safe alternative

– Americans may value privacy and eqality of treatment to much to accept strategies that single out a small percentage of the population for great inconvenience for the greater good

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/2606 "2020-04-22T00:49:28Z")

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> [@PhillyGuy](#):
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> **[CDC director warns second wave of coronavirus this winter will likely be worse](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/cdc-director-warns-second-wave-of-coronavirus-this-winter-will-likely-be-worse/)**
> 
> Director Redfield surely hope that this kind of warning will mobilize actions needed to prevent the warning (which isn’t quite as clear-cut as the headline makes out) from coming true.

Robert Redfield is an asshole and a fucking idiot. From the link (bolding mine):

> [@Robert Redfield](#):
>
> There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult **than the one we just went through**.

It’s not over, fuckface. It’s NOT OVER. We’re still right in the middle of it! This push to pretend that this is over is really pissing me off.

> [@Robert Redfield](#):
>
> And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.

Aye; they prolly do BECAUSE IT ISN’T OVER YET.

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