# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3491 "2020-06-13T04:08:02Z")
7,739,424 total cases 428,336 dead 3,966,208 recovered In the US: 2,116,922 total cases 116,825 dead 841,934 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 7,597,341 total cases > 423,844 dead > 3,841,537 recovered > > In the US: > > 2,089,701 total cases > 116,034 dead > 816,086 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3492 "2020-06-13T04:11:23Z")
Thank you for doing this, **Bo**. I check it every day, and I appreciate the summaries. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3493 "2020-06-13T04:46:47Z")
/bows Yesterday was the 4th month since I started posting numbers, but I didn’t do the same recap; it’s too lengthy now. But 1 month ago… > [@Snowboarder Bo on 11 May 2020](#): > > Today: > > 4,256,024 total cases > 287,332 dead > 1,527,519 recovered > > In the US: > > 1,385,834 total cases > 81,795 dead > 262,225 recovered ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3494 "2020-06-13T11:51:22Z")
35,035 deaths in the US this last month. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3495 "2020-06-13T13:25:54Z")
Canada is up to 8,000 deaths. In time the government will be rightly criticized for doing a shitty job. They are escaping criticism for now by being a bit better than the Trump administration. The Toronto Transit Commission, which runs public transit in a city of almost three million people, has decided to mandate passengers wear masks - but isn’t imposing that rule for three weeks. Because the virus will wait three weeks to infect anyone on the subway, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3496 "2020-06-13T14:20:11Z")
[Beijing closes produce market over new virus cases](http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202006/13/WS5ee40a64a310834817252c2b.html): > [@](#): > > Beijing reported four new confirmed cases of COVID-19 from 4 pm to 12 pm on Friday - totaling seven confirmed cases on Thursday and Friday, with all having close connection with the just closed Xinfadi agricultural products wholesale market in the city’s Fengtai district. There’s a lot more on the 7-pager article linked. I found out about it when my school department head sent out a text on WeChat titled “Emergency Investigation” to find out if anyone in our department had, within the last fourteen days, been to Xinfadi Market, Beijing-Shenzhen Seafood Market, and Songyuli Market. Shortly after that text, my wife called me to tell me about the number of people testing positive for COVID-19 at the Xinfadi Market. Grades 1 through 3 of my school were supposed to be returning to campus Monday, 15 June 2020, but the cancellation announcement for that was sent out just before 7 p.m. Friday. Apparently the powers that be decided that bringing those kids back to campus for a grand total of three weeks of instruction is probably not a good idea, especially when another primary school in the city just had to order approximately 40 students, staff, and their families to go into quarantine because of a few positive test results at that school. A few people posting in my church branch’s Elders’ Quorum WeChat group somehow got the idea that China’s ban on foreigners entering the country is absolutely going to be over when the clock strikes midnight on 31 October 2020. I corrected their view but what the hey? How did they get that idea? That absolutely is not what China’s government announcement said. The restrictions are “in place at least through October”. That means that by the end of October, there will be a further announcement. And if you think that announcement is “all clear”, go beat your head against the wall to knock some sense into yourself. I seriously doubt this pandemic will be over this year. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3497 "2020-06-13T14:22:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Yesterday was the 4th month since I started posting numbers, but I didn’t do the same recap; it’s too lengthy now. But 1 month ago… > > > [@](#): > > > > In the US: > > > > 1,385,834 total cases > > 81,795 dead > > 262,225 recovered 81,795 ÷ (81,795 + 262,225) = 0.24. So of the people who no longer have COVID-19, 24% of them no longer have it because they’re dead. Using the math I see in memes, a 24% death rate equals a 99.9% survival rate. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3498 "2020-06-13T15:10:42Z")
Question about numbers: According to the [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm), there were 98,695 deaths in the U.S. involving COVID-19 as of June 12th. The site does not list the number of people who have recovered. [Google](https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/09c7w0&gl=US&ceid=US:en) says that as of an hour ago there were 116,347 COVID-19 deaths and 645,606 recoveries. Whose numbers are correct? Does the CDC present the number of people who have recovered? If so, where? FWIW, using Google’s numbers there were 761,953 cases that have been resolved either by recovery or by death. 116,347 ÷ (116,347 + 645,606) = 116,347 ÷ 761,953 = 0.15. Fifteen percent is better than the 24% derived from **Snowboarder Bo** ’s numbers from a month ago. i.e., more people are surviving. But I’d really like to see recovery numbers from an unimpeachable source like the CDC. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3499 "2020-06-13T15:22:04Z")
I don’t think that recovered people are tracked very carefully. If someone is hospitalized and recovers, that might get recorded as a recovery. But if you get a positive test and recover on your own at home, there may or may not be followup to see what happened to you. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3500 "2020-06-13T17:14:37Z")
Not only are recoveries poorly tracked, but lots of _cases_ aren’t detected, outside of a few settings where it’s feasible to test everyone (e.g., nursing homes, that aircraft carrier that had an outbreak), and these are overwhelmingly asymptomatic or mild cases that people survive. So estimates of fatality rates use information from antibody studies to estimate the number of undetected cases. For example, this article from April 23 estimates that [2.7 million](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13point9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html) people in New York State had had the disease by then, but the official case count in the state was [268,581](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/) on April 23. There are also a few countries, like [Iceland](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland/) and [New Zealand](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/), that actually have managed to detect, track, and follow up on the vast majority of their cases. The US, to say the least, is not in that category. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3501 "2020-06-13T17:44:45Z")
A new cluster of coronavirus infections has [suddenly popped up in Beijing.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/beijing-goes-into-wartime-mode-as-virus-emerges-at-market-in-chinese-capital/2020/06/13/65c5aac8-ad40-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3502 "2020-06-13T17:55:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > 81,795 ÷ (81,795 + 262,225) = 0.24. > > So of the people who no longer have COVID-19, 24% of them no longer have it because they’re dead. Using the math I see in memes, a 24% death rate equals a 99.9% survival rate. 😕 I saw something similar from a Facebook “friend.” I remarked, “Wow, we now have a million cases in the US” and he replied, “We were there a long time ago.” And that seems to be the crux—the claim is that number of infections is much higher. Working it backward, then, 81,795 ÷ .01 =8,179,500 actual infections. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3503 "2020-06-13T19:23:46Z")
Of course the number of infections doesn’t figure into the death rate because those people are neither recovered or deceased. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3504 "2020-06-13T20:37:27Z")
After a string of days with new cases in the single digits, yesterday Hawaii recorded 15 new cases. But 10 of them were all in one family living together on central Oahu, linked to a previous known case. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3505 "2020-06-13T21:03:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Canada is up to 8,000 deaths. > > In time the government will be rightly criticized for doing a shitty job. They are escaping criticism for now by being a bit better than the Trump administration. > > The Toronto Transit Commission, which runs public transit in a city of almost three million people, has decided to mandate passengers wear masks - but isn’t imposing that rule for three weeks. Because the virus will wait three weeks to infect anyone on the subway, I guess. Trudeau wasn’t perfect but Canada would have been one of the success stories if Ontario and Quebec hadn’t left all the nursing homes to rot away. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3506 "2020-06-14T00:20:57Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > I saw something similar from a Facebook “friend.” I remarked, “Wow, we now have a million cases in the US” and he replied, “We were there a long time ago.” And that seems to be the crux—the claim is that number of infections is much higher. > > Working it backward, then, 81,795 ÷ .01 =8,179,500 actual infections. My bad, that would be 1%, not 0.1%. In other words, 81,795,000 infections. I know some have also claimed we’re lumping seasonal flu deaths in with it as well. Here’s one article that addresses the 99.9% figures, which I hadn’t seen. > **[Debunked: No, the 'survival rate' for Covid-19 is not above 99.9%](https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/)** > > This claim has been going around the internet for the past week. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3507 "2020-06-14T04:02:43Z")
7,865,716 total cases 432,394 dead 4,040,715 recovered In the US: 2,142,224 total cases 117,527 dead 854,106 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 7,739,424 total cases > 428,336 dead > 3,966,208 recovered > > In the US: > > 2,116,922 total cases > 116,825 dead > 841,934 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3508 "2020-06-14T04:07:44Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A new cluster of coronavirus infections has [suddenly popped up in Beijing.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/beijing-goes-into-wartime-mode-as-virus-emerges-at-market-in-chinese-capital/2020/06/13/65c5aac8-ad40-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html) I beat you by [three hours twenty-four minutes](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22352980&postcount=3462). ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3509 "2020-06-14T05:21:36Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > After a string of days with new cases in the single digits, yesterday Hawaii recorded 15 new cases. But 10 of them were all in one family living together on central Oahu, linked to a previous known case. And after yesterday’s 15 new cases, today saw 17 new ones. Both days, all on Oahu. But while 10 of yesterday’s 15 were all in one family in one house, 12 of today’s 17 were all in one family in one house. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/3510 "2020-06-14T07:44:44Z")
When it comes to statistics, it ould be interesting to see the actual recorded death total compared with what would have been expected in the same period in a ‘normal’ year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=174) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=176)