# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/341 "2020-03-07T01:01:41Z")
Missouri has tested [nearly 17 people](https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/missouri-governor-ridiculed-his-nearly-17). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/342 "2020-03-07T01:10:54Z")
Mike Pence announced that 45 people on the cruise ship near San Francisco were tested, and 21 were positive. It turns out, the people who tested positive were not informed of the results before Pence went public. > The cruelty is the point. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/343 "2020-03-07T01:11:40Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > [Here’s a statement](https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf) from a nurse in NorCal who treated a COVID patient and then started showing symptoms. But the CDC won’t test them because they were wearing protective gear when treating the patient, so they obviously can’t have it. This is all kinds of messed up. This is sad for me personally because as someone who was working in the public health field until fairly recently, there’s a lot of good that CDC (and HHS and NIH) does, but they were clearly caught flat-footed on this one. But the worst of it without question is that they’re clearly being pressured by the top levels of authority to spin the news and downplay the crisis, and that invites all kinds of speculation about scenarios that seem outrageous but in this era really aren’t. People are underestimating how serious COVID-19 is, but they’re soon going to find out the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/344 "2020-03-07T01:12:57Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Missouri has tested [nearly 17 people](https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/missouri-governor-ridiculed-his-nearly-17). There will be a point when testing finally ramps up when we realize that we’re way, way behind on this. And if we think the markets are panicking now, sheeeeit…just wait. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/345 "2020-03-07T01:15:28Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > This cruise ship case is so similar to the one in Tokyo that it almost seems like a test. > Did we learn anything? Did we learn that close confinement within a ship will lead to hundreds of cases? Certainly some preventable deaths. Did we learn that those people need to be transferred to land based quarantine _before_ everyone is infected? > > It looks like we learned nothing. If they keep those people in quarantine on that ship, I’ll be ashamed. > > The US deserves whatever this virus does to us. We had a two month head start and did nothing. Fortunately it isn’t all that fatal. Unless you happen to be a little older. Or you are unlucky. Complete and total “it can’t happen here” ineptitude. The “it can’t happen here mentality” explains a lot about what’s happening in America these days. The response to the pandemic is analogous to our response to the rapid decline of America’s political system. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/346 "2020-03-07T01:32:42Z")
Texted to me by my lady friend re: her son in Austin. > [@](#): > > Scott is in the ER. Fever, aches and dry cough. For all intents and purposes the young man is a roadie who travels from place to place on a weekly basis. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/347 "2020-03-07T02:42:21Z")
Interesting article: [Epidemiology and Transmission of COVID-19 in Shenzhen China: Analysis of 391 cases and 1,286 of their close contacts](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20028423v1). Before discussing it though some background first. There, across the globe, are hardly ANY cases of COVID-19 being reported in children. The numbers [from South Korea](https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=a30402000000&bid=0030), where testing is done most liberally, are showing 5% of all cases in those under 19 years of age (and no deaths). Over 40% of cases in the 20 to 39 year old cohort (and only one death, CFR 0.04%). 20% of cases have been found in those 60 and over but 83% of the deaths. Overall using their widely available testing is a CFR of 0.7% A big question is if that means there really are so few kids infected, or if there are many cases in kids, but with mild infections that resolve on their own never coming to any medical attention. While young adults are getting tested with moderate illness that they recover from. In the linked study one of the groups investigated and analyzed separately were those identified by contact tracing: > [@](#): > > … The Shenzhen CDC identified 391 SARS-CoV-2 cases from January 14 to February 12, 2020 and 1286 close contacts. We compare cases identified through symptomatic surveillance and contact tracing … Ninety-one percent had mild or moderate clinical severity at initial assessment. Three have died … Household contacts and those travelling with a case where at higher risk of infection (ORs 6 and 7) than other close contacts. The household secondary attack rate was 15%, and **children were as likely to be infected as adults**. … children are at similar risk of infection as the general population, though less likely to have severe symptoms; hence should be considered in analyses of transmission and control. Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/348 "2020-03-07T02:48:35Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/349 "2020-03-07T02:51:22Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > SXSW has been cancelled. Lots of sporting events are starting to be cxl’d: [ul] [li]Paris Marathon has been postponed from this weekend to Nov. [/li][li]Rome Marathon has been flat out cxl’d for this year. [/li][li]I know of races this weekend in NYC (postponed, date TBD) & Chicago that have been cxl’d; the latter because the venue pulled out. [/li][li]A world championship in Taipei in May has been postponed, date TBD.[/li][/ul] I have friends traveling to Paris for a race next week; as of now, it’s still on, but who knows if they’ll have it &/or if they don’t if it’ll be cxl’d before they travel. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/350 "2020-03-07T02:51:58Z")
Oh. CFR of the primary cases plus the cases in the contact tracing group in the Shenzhen cohort about 0.5%. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/351 "2020-03-07T03:05:13Z")
The paucity of reported cases in the young and healthy suggests to me that the virus is possibly widespread, most recover fine with minor symptoms, and the numbers are garbage in the sense only people severely affected have been tested in the US (unless you’re on a cruise). Most folks don’t seek medical care for colds. And most doctors don’t do elaborate testing for them. I’m not downplaying epidemics - I was on the front lines for SARS. But this isn’t the big one, in my view, no matter how spooked folks are. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/352 "2020-03-07T03:07:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Texted to me by my lady friend re: her son in Austin. > > For all intents and purposes the young man is a roadie who travels from place to place on a weekly basis. I’m not a doc but everything I’ve read suggests that invasive ventilation needs to happen sooner rather than later. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/353 "2020-03-07T03:10:35Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > The paucity of reported cases in the young and healthy suggests to me that the virus is possibly widespread, most recover fine with minor symptoms, and the numbers are garbage in the sense only people severely affected have been tested in the US (unless you’re on a cruise). Most folks don’t seek medical care for colds. And most doctors don’t do elaborate testing for them. > > I’m not downplaying epidemics - I was on the front lines for SARS. But this isn’t the big one, in my view, no matter how spooked folks are. I’m not sure what “the big one” is, but this is damn serious, especially if you’re worried about parents in their 70s or worried about people with underlying health conditions and you’re in the American health system - keep in mind we have minimal insurance coverage and ICU visits would put extreme financial stress on most families. Lots of things to consider here, not just life and death but financial health. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/354 "2020-03-07T03:23:18Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > This cruise ship case is so similar to the one in Tokyo that it almost seems like a test. > Did we learn anything? Did we learn that close confinement within a ship will lead to hundreds of cases? Certainly some preventable deaths. Did we learn that those people need to be transferred to land based quarantine _before_ everyone is infected? > > It looks like we learned nothing. If they keep those people in quarantine on that ship, I’ll be ashamed. > > The US deserves whatever this virus does to us. We had a two month head start and did nothing. Fortunately it isn’t all that fatal. Unless you happen to be a little older. Or you are unlucky. I’m going to be generous and assume you meant the US government deserves whatever political fallout happens because of its ineptitude and not that the people of the US deserve “whatever this virus does to us,” because otherwise, this is an extremely cold and cavalier comment. And I’d remind you it isn’t just people who are “a little older” who can find COVD-19 fatal; it’s also people with compromised immune systems. I agree with the rest of your comments, however. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/355 "2020-03-07T03:31:43Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I’m going to be generous and assume you meant the US government deserves whatever political fallout happens because of its ineptitude and not that the people of the US deserve “whatever this virus does to us,” because otherwise, this is an extremely cold and cavalier comment. And I’d remind you it isn’t just people who are “a little older” who can find COVD-19 fatal; it’s also people with compromised immune systems. > > I agree with the rest of your comments, however. WE elected the US government. No? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/356 "2020-03-07T04:00:58Z")
A new confirmed case a couple miles from here, in another retirement community. Seattle. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/357 "2020-03-07T04:44:26Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Missouri has tested [nearly 17 people](https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/missouri-governor-ridiculed-his-nearly-17). 16 = nearly 17? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/358 "2020-03-07T05:56:31Z")
102,188 confirmed infections 3,491 dead 57,389 recovered In the US: 338 confirmed infections 14 dead 8 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/359 "2020-03-07T06:02:24Z")
[Stanford University making the last two week of classes remote.](https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/) > [@](#): > > For the final two weeks of winter quarter, classes will not meet in person but will move to online formats. Large-group events also are being canceled or adjusted. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/360 "2020-03-07T06:13:30Z")
Trump doesn’t want to let the [Grand Princess dock and let the passengers do quarantine on land](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-those-grand-princess-cruise-ship-should-stay-boat-so-us-coronavirus-numbers-dont-go-1491038) because he doesn’t want to increase the number of cases in the US. After what happened on the Diamond Princess, I hope everyone can see the idiocy of that. And it won’t make any difference. At least one site, and I expect most sites, are already including them in the US count anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=19)