# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 201
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4018 "2020-08-02T16:35:09Z")
At every single opportunity this President makes the spread of the virus easier rather than harder and then later on he will reverse the position because he thinks its a new, great and beautiful idea - and always three or four months after it would have been most effective, leaving the US continually striving to achieve any sort of control. It’s as if he cannot contemplate the idea that others might have come across the mitigation before he did and somehow using ideas from others reflects badoly on himself. He has not had one single independent and novel effective idea in relation to this virus although he had had quite a few novel, stupid, inneffecitve and downright dangerous ones. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4019 "2020-08-03T00:11:03Z")
Iranian whistle blower gives the BBC a list of Iranian deaths revealing the death toll is the times larger than the official figure: > **[Coronavirus: Iran cover-up of deaths revealed by data leak](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53598965)** > > Nearly three times more people died than Iran's government admitted, records seen by the BBC show. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4020 "2020-08-03T01:19:31Z")
oops back later ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4021 "2020-08-03T04:03:23Z")
Hurtigruten is a wonderful line with good ecological policies and good sanitary practices. I was sorry to see that they had an outbreak. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4022 "2020-08-03T04:41:38Z")
A little back-of-the-envelope figuring here… While the US was active in WWII, there were about 412,000 combat deaths - soldiers and civilians - per Wikipedia. This was over a period of 44.25 months, from December 7, 1941, through to VJ day. So far, since the first known COVID death in the US (March 4), it’s been not quite 5 months. Per Worldometer, 158,365 Americans have died. So, in WWII, an average of 9,300 Americans died per month, while COVID has killed roughly 31,700 per month. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4023 "2020-08-03T05:03:39Z")
18,236,624 total cases 692,819 dead 11,446,952 recovered In the US: 4,813,647 total cases 158,365 dead 2,380,217 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 18,013,236 total cases > 688,722 dead > 11,326,433 recovered > > In the US: > > 4,764,318 total cases > 157,898 dead > 2,362,903 recovered My state, Nevada, passed the 50,000 confirmed case mark today, making us 26th in the nation for cases. 12 states currently have more than 100,000 infections and one, California, has more than 500,000. Florida will join them in by Tuesday. Texas won’t be far behind. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4024 "2020-08-03T05:08:55Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > While the US was active in WWII, there were about **412,000 combat deaths** - soldiers and civilians - per Wikipedia. Crap. That should be 419,400 combat deaths. Shoulda checked rather than trust my memory. That’d be 9480/month. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4025 "2020-08-03T11:49:33Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > At every single opportunity Excellent post, @casdave. You nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4026 "2020-08-03T12:03:27Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > At every single opportunity this President makes the spread of the virus easier rather than harder and then later on he will reverse the position because he thinks its a new, great and beautiful idea - and always three or four months after it would have been most effective, leaving the US continually striving to achieve any sort of control. > > It’s as if he cannot contemplate the idea that others might have come across the mitigation before he did and somehow using ideas from others reflects badoly on himself. He has not had one single independent and novel effective idea in relation to this virus although he had had quite a few novel, stupid, inneffecitve and downright dangerous ones. That is absolutely not the reason that he reverses his position. It is because the crap he pulled had such a terrible fallout that he could not effectively blame on Obama. And his “novel, stupid, ineffective, and downright dangerous” ideas aren’t really his either. He’s just pushing other whacked-out nutjob conspiracy theorists’ crap as so amazingly clearly demonstrated with the demon sex doctor of late. ---
**Author:** ![Dagobian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dagobian/32/4143_2.png) [@Dagobian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dagobian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4027 "2020-08-03T12:18:32Z")
For perspective, the US had a population of ~132M in 1940. So WWII had a total combat death toll of ~3100 deaths/million. The covid death toll currently stands at 470/million. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4028 "2020-08-03T13:53:55Z")
> [@](#): > > And his “novel, stupid, ineffective, and downright dangerous” ideas aren’t really his either. You would probably not have heard anything about these carckpot ideas and the really stupid people might not give them as much creedence if he did not give those ideas legs. The only reason he does reverse these ideas is almost certainly because of feedback from the main Republican movers in the background and perhaps his poll rating monitors. I get the feeling that from time to time he gets told in no uncertain terms to ‘wind his neck in’ by various backers - to me those backers control him to a degree, they let him loose and are not too bothered so long as it suits their agenda - but when he steps out of their remit they bring him in pretty sharpish. Those backers are just like bad dog owners - they don’t care if it craps everywhere, they don’t care if it barks all night and annoys the neighbours but, the moment it tries to shag the sofa they are all over him. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4029 "2020-08-03T19:59:05Z")
> [@Dagobian](#): > > For perspective, the US had a population of ~132M in 1940. So WWII had a total combat death toll of ~3100 deaths/million. The covid death toll currently stands at 470/million. You calculated the death toll per million people; @galen_ubal calculated the death toll per month. Why not combine them? By my reckoning, WWII had a death toll of **72** deaths per month per million people. So far, Covid-19 has had a death rate of **96** deaths per month per million people. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4030 "2020-08-03T20:04:51Z")
Expect to see more stories like these: > **[Students at Indiana school back on campus after classmate sent home with...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/us/indiana-student-covid-positive-school/index.html)** > > The family of an Indiana student who learned of a positive Covid-19 test on the first day of school sent the child to classes knowing the result of the test was pending, the school superintendent said Monday. And to offset that rage, have some sorrow: > **['Rest in paradise': Georgia teen loses both mom and dad to COVID-19 in the...](https://www.onlineathens.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/08/03/rest-in-paradise-georgia-teen-loses-both-mom-and-dad-to-covid-19-in-same-week/114875054/)** > > A rising high school senior in Georgia is mourning the loss of both his parents after they lost their lives to... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4031 "2020-08-03T20:42:43Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Athens Banner-Herald](https://www.onlineathens.com/news/20200803/rest-in-paradise-georgia-teen-loses-both-mom-and-dad-to-covid-19-in-same-week) > > ### [‘Rest in paradise’: Georgia teen loses both mom and dad to COVID-19 in the…](https://www.onlineathens.com/news/20200803/rest-in-paradise-georgia-teen-loses-both-mom-and-dad-to-covid-19-in-same-week) > > A rising high school senior in Georgia is mourning the loss of both his parents after they lost their lives to COVID-19 in the same week, media outlets- Aw, damn… 😢 ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4032 "2020-08-03T21:40:48Z")
> [@robby](#): > > By my reckoning, WWII had a death toll of **72** deaths per month per million people. So far, Covid-19 has had a death rate of **96** deaths per month per million people Very interesting — thanks. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Dagobian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dagobian/32/4143_2.png) [@Dagobian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dagobian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4033 "2020-08-03T23:40:37Z")
With all due respect I don’t think it’s a comparison useful for meaningful discussion. WWII purposely sent men in the prime of their life to death by the thousands. Covid is a disease we’re trying to control somehow. Why compare them? Why ignore the order of magnitude difference in per capita deaths? It is just not where you should go with your argument, imho. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4034 "2020-08-03T23:54:46Z")
> [@Dagobian](#): > > With all due respect I don’t think it’s a comparison useful for meaningful discussion. WWII purposely sent men in the prime of their life to death by the thousands. Covid is a disease we’re trying to control somehow. Why compare them? We should, and can be trying to control it but the leadership at the top has been doing a very bad job of it. That’s what makes it comparable to a war, where there is a pretty direct link between how good you are doing and how many casualties you are taking. Whereas with other things such as cancer, and heart disease, if we knew how to nearly wipe them out by a concerted effort to remain vigilant we would have already. Any one step or misstep there, unlike in times of war or plague, will not potentially cost thousands of lives in such a predictable manner. ---
**Author:** ![Dagobian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dagobian/32/4143_2.png) [@Dagobian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dagobian)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4035 "2020-08-04T00:01:33Z")
Do you think it’s a useful message to say “This is worse than WWII!”? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4036 "2020-08-04T00:14:50Z")
> [@Dagobian](#): > > Do you think it’s a useful message to say “This is worse than WWII!”?- It’s kind of interesting… does it have to be “useful”? It introduces some kind of perspective that may be thought-provoking to some people and utterly distasteful to others. ---
**Author:** ![Dagobian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dagobian/32/4143_2.png) [@Dagobian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dagobian)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/4037 "2020-08-04T00:48:26Z")
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