# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758>\
**Category:** The Quarantine Zone\
**Tags:** covid-quarantine\
**Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5163 "2020-10-24T16:38:32Z")

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Illinois’ top coronavirus health official breaks down at press conference while practically begging people to do their part in trying to beat this virus:

> **[‘Desperate to Find Message That Will Work': Illinois' Top Health Official...](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/desperate-to-find-message-that-will-work-illinois-top-health-official-delivers-passionate-plea/2358351/)**
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> Illinois’ top public health official, Dr. Ngozi Ezike, became visibly emotional Friday, urging people to “stay strong” as the state battles a resurgence of coronavirus cases and looks for solutions to fight the pandemic. “The way we work, the way we...

Meanwhile:  
"Seventy local businesses met Thursday night, agreeing to keep serving customers indoors despite a new state order, a Bradley restaurant owner said.  
Thomas Spellman, owner of Hoppy Pig, said his restaurant will continue serving patrons inside, defying Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s new order on some regions to cease indoor dining to lessen the spread of the coronavirus. "

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5164 "2020-10-24T17:21:22Z")

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Similar in some parts of Canada:

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> « As much as I try to be respectful of everyone’s opinion, some of those comments are truly absurd. »

> **[Protesting COVID-19 measures 'just nonsense' — Windsor-Essex's top doc](https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/protest-against-covid-19-measures-just-nonsense-says-windsor-essex-medical-officer-of-health/wcm/a1abdf71-c4c4-4808-ab46-1ecc3834ff58/amp/)**
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> "Some of those comments are truly absurd," medical officer of health Dr. Wajid Ahmed says of those who protest COVID-19 health measures.

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5165 "2020-10-25T01:33:16Z")

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One of our islands, Lanai, is experiencing a major outbreak – 65 cases this week and growing. They’re about to lock it down.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5166 "2020-10-25T04:04:33Z")

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42,946,446 total cases  
1,154,857 dead  
31,673,006 recovered

In the US:

8,827,932 total cases  
230,068 dead  
5,741,611 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> 42,489,905 total cases  
> 1,149,229 dead  
> 31,427,020 recovered
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> In the US:
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> 8,746,953 total cases  
> 229,284 dead  
> 5,698,161 recovered

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5167 "2020-10-26T04:03:58Z")

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43,345,944 total cases  
1,159,093 dead  
31,904,891 recovered

In the US:

8,889,179 total cases  
230,510 dead  
5,772,498 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> 42,946,446 total cases  
> 1,154,857 dead  
> 31,673,006 recovered
> 
> In the US:
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> 8,827,932 total cases  
> 230,068 dead  
> 5,741,611 recovered

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**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5168 "2020-10-26T05:09:06Z")

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Woohoo! Doughnut Day in Victoria!  
To expand, there have been no new cases in the previous 24 hours in the Australian state of Victoria. Considering the state was having new case numbers in the 600-700\* range at the beginning of August, that’s not too shabby at all.  
The Premier has been on (actually, he’s had a press conference every day for at least 125 days), and some new lightening of the lockdown has been announced, with more on the way pending results. Most of that applies to metro Melbourne, but they’re the ones who’ve borne the heaviest burden.  
There’s been some hardship, and lots of inconvenience, but it’s good to know that the light at the end of the tunnel may actually be daylight.

[\*See here](https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data)

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**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5169 "2020-10-26T09:41:29Z")

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Yes its been tough for Victorian friends. Putting the Victorian lock-down into perspective, a good article on how rare it has been globally to ratchet back a high daily case number down to about zero.

It also gives some info on Hong Kong and Vietnam, which don’t feature much in reporting but have done a stellar job.

[Article](https://theconversation.com/of-all-the-places-that-have-seen-off-a-second-coronavirus-wave-only-vietnam-and-hong-kong-have-done-as-well-as-victorians-148520)

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5170 "2020-10-26T11:41:13Z")

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> [@galen\_ubal](#):
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> To expand, there have been no new cases in the previous 24 hours in the Australian state of Victoria. Considering the state was having new case numbers in the 600-700\* range at the beginning of August, that’s not too shabby at all.

Contrast that with the US, which has hit a record high number of daily reported cases for a couple of days running

> **[U.S. hits highest daily number of coronavirus cases since pandemic began](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/23/covid-us-spike-cases/)**
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> Hospitalizations are rising so quickly many facilities in the Midwest have already become overwhelmed. And the number of deaths nationally has crested above 1,000 in recent days.

> **[U.S. Records Highest Number Of Coronavirus Cases In 1 Day Since Pandemic Began](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/24/927389093/u-s-records-highest-number-of-coronavirus-cases-in-1-day-since-pandemic-began)**
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> The 83,000 surpasses the previous record from mid-July by about 6,000. In addition, 943 people died from COVID-19 on Friday. Cases of the virus have been rising in the U.S. since mid-September.

> **[For second straight day, U.S. Covid cases reach new high](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-case-increase-sets-new-u-s-record-rising-over-n1244490)**
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> In other coronavirus news: Trumps to hold Halloween bash at White House, remdesivir gets FDA approval and Blacks brave pandemic to vote.

Gives new meaning to “American Exceptionalism.”

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5171 "2020-10-26T12:01:53Z")

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Before the summer even began, the fear was voiced that Year Two of COVID-19 could very well be worse than Year One. The virus really didn’t make its appearance in earnest in the United States until March when the cold and flu season was ending. Personally, I felt that, from November on, we would get a real indication if this could be the case. The indicators aren’t very good at this point.

The owners at a couple of my favorite watering holes told me that, if there is another prolonged shutdown, they will probably just pack it in and shut down for good. They really can’t take nor even want to take another gigantic economic hit because of COVID-19. Personally, if they shut down all of my favorite bars/restaurants again, I think I’ll just quietly cry.

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**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5172 "2020-10-26T12:32:14Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> Before the summer even began, the fear was voiced that Year Two of COVID-19 could very well be worse than Year One. The virus really didn’t make its appearance in earnest in the United States until March when the cold and flu season was ending. Personally, I felt that, from November on, we would get a real indication if this could be the case. The indicators aren’t very good at this point.

Aren’t there plenty of indicators that major parts of the country were indeed affected ‘in earnest’ back then and are, so far, largely escaping the spread of infection found in areas that were not hit near as hard?

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**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5173 "2020-10-26T12:35:46Z")

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Good grief. [Yet another city in China is getting mass testing because of over a hundred asymptomatic cases](https://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/31845/xinjiang-finds-138-asymptomatic-cases-launches-mass-testing).

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5174 "2020-10-26T12:48:51Z")

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> [@SayTwo](#):
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> Aren’t there plenty of indicators that major parts of the country were indeed affected ‘in earnest’ back then and are, so far, largely escaping the spread of infection found in areas that were not hit near as hard?

I need cites because that isn’t even logical. All I know is that, over the weekend, Illinois had its highest positive test count ever, and the entire United States had its second highest ever, and it’s not even November yet.

We can debate all we want, but time will tell. We have a LONG late fall, winter, and early spring stretch to go.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5175 "2020-10-26T14:29:23Z")

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No; there are not.

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**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5176 "2020-10-26T14:37:17Z")

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> [@Jasmine](#):
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> I need cites because that isn’t even logical.

It’s not logical? Are you kidding me?

It is my understanding that the New York City metro area is not experiencing new case numbers like it did in March and April. What’s more, it seems that the recent case numbers on the whole are coming from places that had far, far fewer case numbers in the early going than did the Northeast. I thought that was obviously apparent for all to see. I guess I’ll leave it to you whether there is any ‘illogic’ to the data.

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**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5177 "2020-10-26T14:50:27Z")

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> [@SayTwo](#):
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> I thought that was obviously apparent for all to see. I guess I’ll leave it to you whether there is any ‘illogic’ to the data.

You still haven’t linked me to any.

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**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5178 "2020-10-26T15:17:02Z")

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> [@SayTwo](#):
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> It is my understanding that the New York City metro area is not experiencing new case numbers like it did in March and April.

This is true, but does not nearly mean that NYC can let its guard down.

[Scroll down about 2/3 down the page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_New_York_City) to the graph “ **New COVID cases announced each day in New York City** ”. Note the flat line of peaks between late July and mid-September. Then look from late September to present – NYC’s case numbers are rising gradually.

Just because the recent case counts are gigantic (like March/April) doesn’t mean that NYC is in good shape _viz a viz_ COVID. On the contrary, due to how quickly exponential spread can get out of control, you never want to see a sustained series of increases.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5179 "2020-10-26T15:27:15Z")

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Just looked at the Johns Hopkins site.

There are new record daily case counts recorded October 25 in the following states.

North Dakota  
South Dakota  
Montana  
Alaska  
Idaho (recorded Oct 24)  
Wyoming (Oct 24)  
Illinois  
Indiana  
Iowa  
Kentucky  
Tennessee  
Alabama  
Arkansas (Oct 24)  
Oklahoma  
Utah  
Colorado  
Puerto Rico  
New Hampshire  
West Virginia  
Ohio  
Pennsylvania

Lots of other states have hit record highs recently (Wisconsin) or are on a very rapid rise (Vermont)

These case numbers are higher than the ones I reported only a few days ago, in many cases for the same states, and they are shooting up extremely rapidly, in an exponential fashion.

Cases are increasing in Europe, with new highs and incredibly rapid rates in

Poland  
Belgium  
Italy

In others it’s still going up rapidly, if not as alarmingly fast.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5180 "2020-10-26T15:34:31Z")

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Ugh.

> **[French doctor warns his country has 'lost control' of virus](https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-epidemics-health-paris-europe-07081c1203628dad5eb514cdd0819d16)**
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> PARIS (AP) — A French doctor warned Monday that his country has “lost control of the epidemic,” a day after health authorities reported more than 52,000 new coronavirus cases as nations across Europe enact more sweeping restrictions to try to slow...

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5181 "2020-10-26T15:38:02Z")

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Numbers are on the rise in Canada as well.

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**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\
**Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5182 "2020-10-26T16:00:57Z")

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El Paso is being overwhelmed.

> **[County Judge: El Paso hospitals and intensive care units are at 100% capacity](https://kfoxtv.com/news/coronavirus/county-judge-el-paso-hospitals-and-intensive-care-units-are-at-100-capacity)**
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> The El Paso County Judge says after weeks of record setting coronavirus numbers, El Paso’s hospitals have had all they can take. But other county leaders are saying something different. “Currently our hospitals are stretched to capacity,” El Paso...

I think the COVID skeptics–the folks who think everything is overblown–are so fixated on what they perceived to be a low death rate that they overlook the obvious: the death rate is a function of the quality of hospital care. What looks like a “tolerable” death rate can quickly become “intolerable” when there are no hospital beds left.

Society can’t function without medical care. So what that the majority of infected only have mild symptoms. Swarmed hospitals are still swarmed hospitals. Swarmed hospitals hurt communities.

I am curious if researchers may one day find a relationship between hospital bed occupancy in an area and the rate of COVID survivors who suffer from long-term complications.

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