# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 281
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5625 "2020-11-19T06:41:12Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I wonder what she feels is the reason is for the rise of cases in South Dakota. According to her, it isn’t the lack of an early lockdown or her refusal to have a mask mandate. Well, I’m guessing she’s not starting from the default state being no spread. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5626 "2020-11-19T07:25:57Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > default state being no spread Default State Being No Spread. I almost understand what you intend to say. But not quite. ETA: actually, the more I read it the more confused I am. What does that mean? ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5627 "2020-11-19T07:41:31Z")
It means that viruses spread. It’s what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. It’s what they’ll always do. It is not complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5628 "2020-11-19T07:46:34Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > It means that viruses spread. It’s what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. It’s what they’ll always do. It is not complicated… People try to stop the spread of viruses. It’s what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. It’s what they’ll always do. It is not complicated. It also makes more sense than having a virus run rampant through the population unabated, killing people. ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5629 "2020-11-19T07:51:17Z")
Then I guess the answer to your question – or at least the relevant part – is that she’s not convinced their efforts are working in other places. ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5630 "2020-11-19T07:55:14Z")
Here’s a fascinating article in the NEJM this month about virus transmission among Marine recruits in quarantine. It’s hard to imagine any municipality enforcing restrictions better than the military can. They threw everything at it (and then some). Still got spread. [https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717#article\_citing\_articles](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717#article_citing_articles) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5631 "2020-11-19T08:09:36Z")
… without digging too deeply into the study, but what do you think this means? > [@](#): > > CONCLUSIONS > Among Marine Corps recruits, approximately 2% who had previously had negative results for SARS-CoV-2 at the beginning of supervised quarantine, and less than 2% of recruits with unknown previous status, tested positive by day 14. Most recruits who tested positive were asymptomatic, and no infections were detected through daily symptom monitoring. Transmission clusters occurred within platoons. (Funded by the Defense Health Agency and others.) ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5632 "2020-11-19T08:16:02Z")
Not sure if you were pointing me to any one thing in specific, but the basic design was that they asked the recruits to self-quarantine for two weeks before arriving at the campus and then put them through very carefully supervised quarantine for two more weeks. Some of the infections were likely brought it from the self-quarantine period, and some were found to happen on campus. All in all, it was about two percent of the recruits infected, I think in either period (meaning self-quarantine or supervised quarantine). That would seem to suggest that some spread will happen even in the strictest of environments? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5633 "2020-11-19T08:22:40Z")
Sticking a bunch of guys in a barracks would require something quite miraculous to prevent spread of something so contagious as this corona virus, military discipline or not (not to mention that the goal of military training is to learn discipline, not having it magically) . It is a bit strange to say that corona measures in a barracks could ever be more effective than people staying the fuck home. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5634 "2020-11-19T08:25:42Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > Not sure if you were pointing me to any one thing in specific, but the basic design was that they asked the recruits to self-quarantine for two weeks before arriving at the campus and then put them through very carefully supervised quarantine for two more weeks. Some of the infections were likely brought it from the self-quarantine period, and some were found to happen on campus. All in all, it was about two percent of the recruits infected, I think in either period (meaning self-quarantine or supervised quarantine). That would seem to suggest that some spread will happen even in the strictest of environments? …I think (as with every other study you’ve cited) you’ve reached a conclusion at odds with what the study _ **actually** _ concluded. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5635 "2020-11-19T08:32:36Z")
They were _asked_ to quarantine beforehand? And how was that checked up on, let alone enforced? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5636 "2020-11-19T08:39:10Z")
… for more context: there is a reason why in NZ managed isolation they are quarantined for 14 days and are tested on day 3 and day 13. And it isn’t because covid-19 spontaneously appears out of nowhere. The results seem to line up exactly as expected. But all this does seem a bit off topic. If you would like to open your own thread to discuss your creative interpretation of the scientific evidence I’d love to take part. ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5637 "2020-11-19T08:42:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I think (as with every other study you’ve cited) you’ve reached a conclusion at odds with what the study _ **actually** _ concluded. You don’t think the study concluded that there was transmission evident during the quarantine? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5638 "2020-11-19T08:43:14Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > It means that viruses spread. It’s what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. It’s what they’ll always do. It is not complicated. You have a way of phrasing things that does not always ooze coherence. Viruses spread. That’s not complicated, you’re correct. It’s also a statement with all the revelatory power of: “Water is wet.” OK. So the Governor thinks the default state (of what?) is that viruses spread. Alright. And then what? What’s next? She goes directly from “viruses spread” to “but don’t try to help stop that spread if you don’t feel like it because you have the Freedom to spread deadly disease.” As I politely hinted at in my previous post: what the hell are you on about _now_? ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5639 "2020-11-19T08:46:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They were _asked_ to quarantine beforehand? > And how was that checked up on, let alone enforced? They gave them antibody and PCR tests on arrival (which some failed). They recognize that some may have passed the tests yet still have been incubating the virus. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5640 "2020-11-19T08:47:34Z")
Then it wasn’t that controlled a situation, was it? Do you have another example to throw our way? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5641 "2020-11-19T08:47:35Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > You don’t think the study **concluded** that there was transmission evident during the quarantine? … I quoted the entire conclusion from the study. Can you quote the words in the conclusion that match up with what you think it said? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5642 "2020-11-19T08:49:15Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > Then I guess the answer to your question – or at least the relevant part – is that she’s not convinced their efforts are working in other places. Who is “their”? What does that have to do with “viruses spread”? You do not write clearly at all. ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5643 "2020-11-19T08:56:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > … I quoted the entire conclusion from the study. Can you quote the words in the conclusion that match up with what you think it said? I’m really at a loss here. You said you didn’t dig too deeply into the study, so I (having read it in full myself) tried to summarize it for you. I don’t know if you’re reading something into the conclusion that’s not in the study, or what. The results of the study are pretty straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5644 "2020-11-19T08:58:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then it wasn’t that controlled a situation, was it? > Do you have another example to throw our way? …even without controls the results really don’t sound out of line of what one would expect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=280) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=282)