# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5645 "2020-11-19T08:59:43Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Sticking a bunch of guys in a barracks would require something quite miraculous to prevent spread of something so contagious as this corona virus, military discipline or not (not to mention that the goal of military training is to learn discipline, not having it magically) . It is a bit strange to say that corona measures in a barracks could ever be more effective than people staying the fuck home. That’s certainly fair, but if you read the study, you’ll see that they weren’t in a barracks (they were in university dorms) and that they took all the measures they could to get around that. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5646 "2020-11-19T09:00:47Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > I’m really at a loss here. You said you didn’t dig too deeply into the study, so I (having read it in full myself) tried to summarize it for you … reading it in full doesn’t mean you **understand it**. You certainly don’t understand the conclusion. The results are straightforward. They just don’t say what you think it says. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5647 "2020-11-19T09:02:14Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > That’s certainly fair, but if you read the study, you’ll see that they weren’t in a barracks (they were in university dorms) and that they took all the measures they could to get around that. …do you understand why in NZ managed isolation they test on both day 3 and day 13? ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5648 "2020-11-19T09:02:57Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > … reading it in full doesn’t mean you **understand it**. You certainly don’t understand the conclusion. The results are straightforward. They just don’t say what you think it says. I think it says that some of the recruits arrived at the campus not infected by the virus and by two weeks later were infected by the virus. That’s exactly what I think it says, no more and no less. ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5649 "2020-11-19T09:04:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …do you understand why in NZ managed isolation they test on both day 3 and day 13? Of course I do. Because a negative test on day zero does not necessarily mean that you are not incubating the virus, or that you won’t be in the following days. Nor does one on day 3, or even day 13. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5650 "2020-11-19T09:07:33Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > I think it says that some of the recruits arrived at the campus not infected by the virus … this is where you’ve gone wrong. There is a difference between testing negative and “not being infected.” It is common for the day 3 test to come back negative but the day 13 test to be positive. It isn’t because it just spontaneously appeared. It’s because covid-19 has an unusually long incubation period. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5651 "2020-11-19T09:08:58Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > Of course I do. Because a negative test on day zero does not necessarily mean that you are not incubating the virus, or that you won’t be in the following days. Nor does one on day 3, or even day 13. …so you do understand what the paper is saying then? So why are you pretending otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5652 "2020-11-19T09:12:22Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > … this is where you’ve gone wrong. There is a difference between testing negative and “not being infected.” It is common for the day 3 test to come back negative but the day 13 test to be positive. It isn’t because it just spontaneously appeared. It’s because covid-19 has an unusually long incubation period. The study demonstrates through genomic testing – which I know you use in New Zealand as well – that transmission happened on the campus. Or, because I guess you really, really want to pick nits, the study demonstrates through genomic testing that it is very, very, very likely that some transmission happened on campus. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5653 "2020-11-19T09:21:07Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > Or, because I guess you really, really want to pick nits, the study demonstrates through genomic testing that it is very, very, very likely that some transmission happened on campus. …our managed isolation facilities have the strictest protocols. But we had one outbreak because two people shared a lift at different times. We had another that was traced back to two people using the same rubbish bin: again at the different times. Even in the strictest of conditions there is a risk of transmission. The controls at the dorm (as you’ve already conceded) may not have been as strict. The results here simply don’t say what you think and they fit in with everything we know about covid-19. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5654 "2020-11-19T11:44:41Z")
A University dorm is more like a home situation or more like a fucking barracks? What is your point? Are you somehow claiming that effective measures against the virus are impossible? --“even the military” We did a worldwide study on this subject with literally billions of subjects this spring. Staying at home prevents the spread of the virus. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5655 "2020-11-19T11:47:35Z")
I think he’s saying that since some spread is probably inevitable (which is true), then all mitigation is pointless (which makes no sense). ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5656 "2020-11-19T12:22:04Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > We did a worldwide study on this subject with literally billions of subjects this spring. Staying at home prevents the spread of the virus. I might ask what is _your_ point, since it doesn’t seem to be possible for everyone to stay at home all the time for an extended period. And I would think the results of that ‘worldwide study’ of billions make that very, very abundantly clear. My point is that there is a tremendous amount of evidence, readily and freely available for anyone who wants to consider it, that it’s probably impossible to fully contain the spread of this virus – despite how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5657 "2020-11-19T12:33:03Z")
[Governor Walz (Minnesota) is turning the dial back.](https://www.startribune.com/walz-to-close-bars-restaurants-and-fitness-centers-for-4-weeks/573114521/) I agree with the action, but not necessarily the extent. He has come under fire for bending to retail and other large businesses. And, of course, the hospitality industry is spitting mad. Personally, I think the dial needed to cranked all the way back. A few months ago, seeing 20 daily deaths upset me. Now, 60+ doesn’t make me flinch. November 14th, we had over 8600 test positive. Yesterday, “only” 5094. He’s pushing staying home for the holidays, yet in the media it’s pushed more as “We’d _like_ you to stay home, but…” It’s going to be a difficult winter up here. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5658 "2020-11-19T12:50:45Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > It means that viruses spread. It’s what they do. It’s what they’ve always done. It’s what they’ll always do. It is not complicated.- Guess I won’t be needing these condoms. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5659 "2020-11-19T13:03:31Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > My point is that there is a tremendous amount of evidence, readily and freely available for anyone who wants to consider it, that it’s probably impossible to fully contain the spread of this virus – despite how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. Do you feel like limiting the spread until the vaccines can be deployed is basically pointless? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5660 "2020-11-19T13:15:14Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > My point is that there is a tremendous amount of evidence, readily and freely available for anyone who wants to consider it, that it’s probably impossible to fully contain the spread of this virus – despite how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. …there is a tremendous amount of evidence, readily and freely available for anyone who wants to consider it, that it’s completely possible **to epidemiologically eliminate the spread of this virus** – despite how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. This has been demonstrated over and over and over to you again in thread after thread and post after post. Elimination of the virus keeps the death toll low, keeps the number of cases low, means ICU capacity isn’t threatened, it allows the economy to open up without restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5661 "2020-11-19T15:51:24Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > The map immediately grabbed my eye when I saw it. I thought to myself that a cynic might say: “That map clearly shows rings of pestilence, sorrow, and death emanating pretty much exactly from Sturgis, South Dakota.” > > A different cynic might say “Holy fuck! It’s like a god damn bullseye!” > > But I’ll just note that it’s an interesting map. It reminds me of the map on the wall in Robert Heinlein’s novel **The Puppet Masters** depicting the spread of the alien infestation. As I recall, the map depicted the middle of the country all in dark red (indicating alien infestation), gradually tailing off towards almost none on the coasts. The intermediate areas was where the hardest battles were being fought, because you couldn’t do anything where they had completely taken over. Fortunately, in our case we _can_ fight back in the regions of greatest infestation – if we can persuade those people living there to participate. Another interesting analogy with Puppet Masters is that the infection rate spiked when the weather got colder and people had to move indoors in close proximity. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5662 "2020-11-19T16:09:38Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > My point is that there is a tremendous amount of evidence, readily and freely available for anyone who wants to consider it, that it’s probably impossible to fully contain the spread of this virus – despite how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. **Moderator Instructions** Take this argument to another thread. It doesn’t belong in the Breaking News thread. Do not post on this subject again in this thread. Colibri Quarantine Zone Moderator ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5663 "2020-11-19T16:35:04Z")
> **[Someone in Europe is dying every 17 seconds from covid-19, WHO says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-europe-death-who-second-wave-slowing/2020/11/19/09e29bfe-29cc-11eb-9c21-3cc501d0981f_story.html)** > > The grim toll of the second coronavirus wave comes even though overall case numbers may be slowing. > Europe’s painful second [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) wave may be starting to ease, a top World Health Organization official said Thursday, though its toll continues to be staggering, with someone on the continent dying every 17 seconds from the virus this past week. > > The cautious prognosis came after new diagnoses of the novel coronavirus slowed last week across Europe to 1.8 million cases, compared with 2 million the week before last. Hospitals across the continent [remain packed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-coronavirus-europe-hospitals-capacity/2020/10/31/fe074b56-188a-11eb-8bda-814ca56e138b_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_4), a situation that sharply increases the chance patients will die of the disease, since it restricts access to intensive care beds. > > “There is good news and not so good news,” Hans Kluge, the WHO’s regional director for Europe, said at a news conference, describing the drop in new diagnoses as “a small signal, but it’s a signal nevertheless.” > … How many “waves” can happen in a pandemic like this? Do they get smaller over time? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5664 "2020-11-19T16:37:57Z")
Waves until there are no more waves. No, they aren’t likely to get smaller for some time yet IMO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=281) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=283)