# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 286
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5725 "2020-11-21T20:59:51Z")
> **[A traveler tested negative for covid-19 before a flight. He had the virus and...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/11/20/new-zealand-flight-covid/)** > > The study details an outbreak linked to one passenger on an 18-hour flight from Dubai to New Zealand in September. > Health officials in New Zealand, a country that has a strict 14-day quarantine in place for arriving travelers, released a case study on Friday that details the risks of traveling on long-haul flights during the [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/) pandemic — even if negative coronavirus tests are required before the flight. > > The report details a coronavirus outbreak linked through DNA analysis to one passenger on an 18-hour flight from Dubai to New Zealand in September. The traveler, who tested negative for the coronavirus with a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test within 48 hours of the flight, was contagious but pre-symptomatic onboard the plane, and infected at least four other passengers. > > In total there were seven cases linked to the flight, which had 86 passengers onboard. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5726 "2020-11-21T23:21:42Z")
[After 23 consecutive days of no new cases, the Victorian Premier](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/victoria-coronavirus-covid19-restrictions-rule-changes/12888358) is expected to announce a further lifting of restrictions in the Australian state of Victoria. These will largely be increasing patron caps at various businesses, restaurants, etc. The hard lockdown in the state of South Australia is expected to relax tonight, after a spate of new cases relating to workers from a quarantine hotel. There have been no new cases over the last couple of days, it looks like. Most of the rest of Australia has no new cases stemming from local infection; there have been some new cases in international arrivals in quarantine. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5727 "2020-11-21T23:39:38Z")
That’s great news, **galen** ; thanks for the update. I hope Australia can keep a lid on it all. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5728 "2020-11-22T00:13:52Z")
I’m pretty pleased, yes. It’s been a pain for me personally, and has required much greater work and sacrifice by others, but I think the results are worth it. [Anyway, here’s the Premier’s statement.](https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/statement-premier-82), with the first section below. > Three months ago, Victoria had 4293 active cases. Today we have one. > It’s an incredible achievement. And the clearest evidence there is of our determination to not only get on top of this virus – but to squash it. > Back then, the goal – the hope – was something a little more ‘normal’ for Christmas. > Today, because of the efforts of every Victorian, that’s exactly what we’ve been able to achieve. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5729 "2020-11-22T03:43:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The country with the next most new cases today was India, with 46,288. India is home to over 1,353,000,000 billion. They have more than 1 billion MORE people than the United States, many of them living in abject poverty, yet their new case total is about 1/5 of the US total today. I’m certainly not going to tout the US numbers as anything positive, but I don’t think this is likely to be a fair comparison. India has, to date, administered fewer total tests than the US, and has about 1/5 the number of tests per million population, according to [Worldometers.com](http://Worldometers.com). I think we would probably have to compare excess deaths for a fair comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5730 "2020-11-22T03:50:06Z")
No; we don’t. I wasn’t making an argument. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5731 "2020-11-22T04:21:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > El Paso officials are seeking applicants to work at the morgue as the city’s COVID-19 death toll mounts. > > > > Officials currently are relying on low-level offenders from the El Paso County Jail to help move corpses. Ten mobile morgues are in place to handle the dead. > > \ > > That is a tall order for any amount of pay. They had to call in the National Guard. [https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/us/el-paso-national-guard-morgue-coronavirus-trnd/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/us/el-paso-national-guard-morgue-coronavirus-trnd/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5732 "2020-11-22T05:14:43Z")
58,494,754 total cases 1,386,570 dead 40,467,900 recovered In the US: 12,450,666 total cases 261,790 dead 7,403,847 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 57,909,991 total cases > 1,377,745 dead > 40,108,259 recovered > > In the US: > > 12,274,726 total cases > 260,283 dead > 7,316,323 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5733 "2020-11-22T14:36:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No; we don’t. I wasn’t making an argument. Who said you were making an argument? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5734 "2020-11-22T21:27:25Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > I think we would probably have to compare excess deaths for a fair comparison. Just FYI, [according to Johns Hopkins](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality), of the 20 countries most affected by COVID, the US is 8th in deaths per 100,000 population (both confirmed cases and healthy people). India is 20th. Per “observed case fatality ratio,” the US drops to 14th, and India moves up one slot, to 19th. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5735 "2020-11-22T23:03:10Z")
That’s still based on what’s reported. The numbers look sketchy though. > **[Coronavirus: How many Covid-19 deaths is India missing?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53773070)** > > India's fatality rate has remained low as case counts rise. But that doesn't tell the whole story. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5736 "2020-11-22T23:22:18Z")
Thanks for the illuminating article. Your earlier comment made me curious. I was merely posting the best answer I found. I have to laugh at myself for not considering that if it were that simple, you’d have already done it. 🤦‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5737 "2020-11-22T23:27:42Z")
Well, the entire continent of Africa is doing better than the USA numbers wise. While there’s likely a bunch of testing/reporting problems, studies by the WHO seem to show they are indeed doing better. Nobody talks about replicating African policies though. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5738 "2020-11-22T23:33:44Z")
Oh, not at all. Snoboarder\_Bo’s comparison made me curious, and after checking worldometers, it looked to me like there was reason to think that the counted cases were off by a bigger factor there than here,\* so the numbers would not really be comparable. I posted about the worldometers numbers. Later, I looked for an excess death number, but it looks like they aren’t making the data available for researchers to calculate that. Your info is part of the picture, too. \*We know it’s off here, too. There’s ongoing research to try to figure out how many total cases each positive test result represents. It seems like it’s likely to be a much bigger number in India because there are so few tests. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5739 "2020-11-23T01:11:52Z")
A doctor in Arizona just arrived on shit and tweets that he was told there are NO MORE ICU BEDS in the entire state. > ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5740 "2020-11-23T01:33:11Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > A doctor in Arizona just arrived on shit I hope that was meant to be “on shift.” (Not to make light of the situation, which is not good in the slightest.) ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5741 "2020-11-23T01:39:18Z")
But, but, but…according to our elected leaders and most of the people out here, COVID is a hoax and masks don’t work. I know, all of those patients were bused in from other states, right? My mother cannot live alone anymore. She is flying out here tomorrow. We have been quarantining, as has she. She will be using a mask and shield on the plane and will wipe all surfaces down before she sits down. The only other options for getting her here from Idaho are not good either. I know that she shouldn’t be traveling, but her only other plan if she stays in Idaho is to go into assisted living which is pretty much a death sentence. I am beyond worried about this. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5742 "2020-11-23T01:41:01Z")
That was probably a typo, she probably meant “A doctor in Arizona just arrived _in_ shit.” cause that’s the storm those folks are dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5743 "2020-11-23T02:37:31Z")
oops? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5744 "2020-11-23T02:38:09Z")
[Shanghai Pudong Airport starts testing all staff after COVID-19 cases discovered](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1207692.shtml) > Shanghai Pudong Airport started on Sunday night testing all staff after the airport found several cargo handlers and close contacts tested positive for the coronavirus over the past several days. > Meanwhile, flights into Shanghai were largely cancelled on Sunday night. As of 11pm, 277 flights had been cancelled, according to figures compiled by airline data tracker VariFlight app. A video posted online shows the road to the airport was severely congested. [Here is a tweet with video from the airport.](https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1330556402033713152) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=285) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=287)