# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 290
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5805 "2020-11-24T22:34:28Z")
Population of the USA: 308 million. Pfizer expected production, 2021: 25 million. And given that they are suggesting 2022 production at 1000 million +, you’d have to think that most of that 25 million would be in the second half of the year. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5806 "2020-11-24T22:34:38Z")
Getting from the factories and into millions of arms twice is very, very complex and daunting. Storage, vials, stoppers, labels, transport, needles, syringes, alcohol wipes, masks, gloves, forms, clerks, hardware, software, input mechanisms, enough people who know how to poke a needle into an arm and are willing to risk working in PPE in close and constant proximity to by definition unvaccinated strangers for days on end, months on end, while simultaneously enough of those trained professionals are struggling to keep people alive in overwhelmed hospitals. It’s viral D-day, for months. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5807 "2020-11-24T22:47:13Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > Pfizer expected production, 2021: 25 million. Their expected production for **2020** is 50 million doses (i.e., 25 million people). Their expected production for 2021 is 1.3 billion doses. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5808 "2020-11-24T22:48:06Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > Pfizer expected production, 2021: 25 million. > > And given that they are suggesting 2022 production at 1000 million +, you’d have to think that most of that 25 million would be in the second half of the year. So you aren’t including the other 2 vaccines? Astrazeneca’s vaccine (the Oxford vaccine) is much easier and faster to produce, and does not require special storage. They say they’ll make 3 billion doses next year. The UK pre-ordered 100 million doses, and the US, I believe, 300 million. I have no doubt it will be a herculean task, and your prediction may well be true, but it may be slightly less bad. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5809 "2020-11-24T22:54:04Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I started a thread asking how it will work, but except for **bump** , the response has been underwhelming. Maybe it’s just a big unknown at this point. > > [How does vaccine distribution work?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-does-vaccine-distribution-work/926275/2) There’s a thread specifically on this topic now. Perhaps this discussion should move there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5810 "2020-11-24T22:58:12Z")
Arizona: > **[Officials urge Thanksgiving caution as virus cases soar](https://apnews.com/general-news-9c84456ac41603f636a48bbe57f8fef7)** > > Arizona hospital officials are pleading with people to avoid large Thanksgiving dinners as soaring coronavirus infections put pressure on the state's medical system. [Indiana](https://apnews.com/article/philippines-china-coronavirus-pandemic-rodrigo-duterte-46788b112c760c557cbc926c11a71cfd): > [@](#): > > Indiana has nearly recorded its most COVID-19 deaths for a single month with a week remaining as health officials on Tuesday added 103 more deaths to the state’s pandemic toll. > > The Indiana State Department of Health’s daily update included the new deaths mostly occurring over the past several days through Monday, and which push November’s total to at least 991. > > Indiana’s monthly high for COVID-19 deaths was 1,041 in April, when at most the state’s moving seven-day average was 42 fatalities a day. That daily average has now reached 51 as Indiana’s hospitals are treating nearly double the number of coronavirus patients as at any point since seeing their first infections in March. > > Coronavirus hospitalizations have reached a level where health care leaders say the system is becoming overwhelmed and some hospitals have started rationing care to treat those most severely ill. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5811 "2020-11-24T23:17:49Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Their expected production for **2020** is 50 million doses (i.e., 25 million people). Their expected production for 2021 is 1.3 billion doses. Thanks. Correction noted. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5812 "2020-11-25T05:19:55Z")
60,105,740 total cases 1,414,868 dead 41,553,773 recovered In the US: 12,955,007 total cases 265,891 dead 7,636,684 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 59,514,826 total cases > 1,402,028 dead > 41,156,663 recovered > > In the US: > > 12,777,174 total cases > 263,687 dead > 7,548,940 recovered Tomorrow the US will have over 13,000,000 total cases. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5813 "2020-11-25T06:45:47Z")
That’s 2,204 dead in one day, people. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5814 "2020-11-25T07:00:49Z")
Aye and over 11,000 deaths worldwide. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5815 "2020-11-25T07:32:01Z")
Sorry about leaving out “in the United States alone”. Thanks, **Snowboarder\_Bo** for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5816 "2020-11-25T12:16:34Z")
Latex gloves might be in short supply, but the US might not be as affected. 2,500 workers have tested positive for the coronavirus in the world’s top latex glove producer. Half the factories of the world’s top latex glove maker will shut down. Almost half the workers in the plants have tested positive for coronavirus. The workers are packed in crowded dormitories in Malaysia and have horrible working conditions. Many of them are from neighboring Nepal. The US had already banned gloves from two of the subsidiaries of the company because of the horrible working conditions that have been reported. > **[Covid-19: World's top latex glove maker shuts factories](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55053846)** > > Malaysia's Top Glove will close more than half of its plants after a surge in virus cases. In other news, Rite Aid will start charging $115 per covid test from Dec. 1, when federal funds will cease. The lack of a new stimulus package is affecting many areas of the country from people being evicted to rising prices on covid tests and treatment. > **[Rite Aid to start charging $115 per COVID-19 test from Dec. 1 as federal...](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rite-aid-to-start-charging-115-per-covid-19-test-from-dec-1-as-federal-funding-ends-2020-11-24)** > > Rite Aid Corp. undefined said Tuesday it will start charging $115 per COVID-19 test from Dec. 1, following the end of federal funding for diagnostic testing... ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5817 "2020-11-25T16:03:04Z")
New daily high reported cases (seven-day average) on November 24, 2020 Washington New Jersey Ohio Nevada California Virginia Oklahoma > [@](#): > > Sorry to deflate, but look at the weekly cycle - you are looking at the weekly low point. > > … > > Check it tomorrow and you will see. It’s tomorrow. There are seven states with record highs, and no Puerto Rico this time, so we’re doing still better. As i said, I’m not comparing the actual daily record, but the seven-day-average of daily reported cases, which ought to average out daily variations (which are definitely there). These reported cases are continuing to drop, and it’s reflected in the reported daily (seven day averaged) cases for the US as a whole, which is definitely going down > **[New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases)** > > Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time. I’d be buoyed in my expectations, but I a.) suspect that this would probably turn around on its own, in the absence of other factors; and b.) I really do expect this to turn around because Thanksgiving gives all indications of becoming a Super Spreader event, with lots of people ignoring medical advice and traveling across the country to get-togethers. This, despite Canada’s experience a few weeks ago of COVID cases shooting up after their own Thanksgiving holiday. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5818 "2020-11-25T16:33:34Z")
My own view is that the current peak relates to the last weeks of the election when there were many gatherings and a lot less caution. The timing also appears to support this, then again correlation is not evidence. Personally I would expect a slow decline in cases with a lagging rise in deaths that will also follow 3-5 weeks later. It seems now that deaths follow infections a little later, it was around 3 weeks but improvements in medical intervention means fewer die and those that do tend to pass on later. I also think that now the politicisation of the pandemic for election purposes is largely spent, people are less likely to gather and more likely to take some precautions - even on the republican side. In addition the scale of this wave has been such, and it has hit rural areas that previously were only lightly affected which means more people are affected in the previously less cautious parts of the country - so I hope that the Thanksgiving period will not be quite as bad although it will still see an increase. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5819 "2020-11-25T16:57:05Z")
Huh. Thanksgiving is definitely going to be worse than any election caused surge, imho. Rather obviously, I would think. A big chunk of spread is private unmonitored gatherings which Thanksgiving is and the election was not. While it’s down, air travel this past weekend was about 50% of last year’s pre-Thanksgiving weekend. That’s still a buttload of people. > **[Millions Of Americans Traveling For Thanksgiving, Ignoring CDC Advice](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/23/938096720/millions-of-americans-traveling-for-thanksgiving-ignoring-cdc-advice)** > > More than 3 million people went through TSA airport security checkpoints this weekend. That's the most air travelers in one weekend since March when the pandemic began. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5820 "2020-11-25T17:02:50Z")
We shall see ---
**Author:** ![raspberry\_hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@raspberry\_hunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raspberry_hunter)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5821 "2020-11-25T17:41:12Z")
At least in my neck of the woods, anecdotally the current surge was probably due to Halloween parties (as far as I can tell, there is a significant portion of my city that takes Halloween Parties Very Seriously) rather than the election. But judging from the number of people I know who are traveling and/or having Thanksgiving with others (vs the number of people I knew who went to Halloween parties), I think two weeks from now is going to be much worse. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5822 "2020-11-25T17:47:26Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > people are less likely to gather and more likely to take some precautions Two words: “winter holidays” ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5823 "2020-11-26T04:55:11Z")
From the “Do as I say, not as I do” dept.– [Mayor of Denver apologizes for holiday travel after advising residents to stay put | TheHill](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527667-mayor-of-denver-apologizes-for-holiday-travel-after-advising-residents) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5824 "2020-11-26T05:23:16Z")
60,720,993 total cases 1,426,841 dead 42,032,104 recovered In the US: 13,137,962 total cases 268,219 dead 7,805,280 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 60,105,740 total cases > 1,414,868 dead > 41,553,773 recovered > > In the US: > > 12,955,007 total cases > 265,891 dead > 7,636,684 recovered There were more than 12,000 covid deaths worldwide today; more than 2,300 in the US. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=289) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=291)