# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 297
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5946 "2020-12-07T01:14:53Z")
People that die are automatically tested for it? ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5947 "2020-12-07T01:38:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@SayTwo](#): > > > > Yes, I know. That’s how we know that 99.8% of people who contract the virus, or 99.9% outside of a long-term care environment, don’t die from it. > > [Roughly 1.9% fatality rate.](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) And if COVID deaths are being undercounted, as the studies indicate, the rate is even higher. And the immediate death rate is only one count – there are the COVID health problems, which will cause ‘early’ deaths for many people, but won’t be counted as COVID deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5948 "2020-12-07T02:27:05Z")
> [@SayTwo](#): > > Yes, I know. That’s how we know that 99.8% of people who contract the virus, or 99.9% outside of a long-term care environment, don’t die from it. **Moderator Instructions** That’s enough of posting blatant misinformation in this thread. I am hereby instructing you not to post further in this thread. Colibri Quarantine Zone Moderator ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5949 "2020-12-07T04:24:16Z")
Thank you, Colibri. It was really hard to not react. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5950 "2020-12-07T04:29:26Z")
That’s a very raw case fatality rate. Coupled with how much this varies by age, blankly stating there’s a rough fatality rate of 1.9% is quite improper. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5951 "2020-12-07T05:11:21Z")
67,392,712 total cases 1,541,745 dead 46,583,680 recovered In the US: 15,159,529 total cases 288,906 dead 8,855,593 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 66,855,796 total cases > 1,534,553 dead > 46,241,275 recovered > > In the US: > > 14,983,425 total cases > 287,825 dead > 8,787,738 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5952 "2020-12-07T06:35:34Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > That’s a very raw case fatality rate. Coupled with how much this varies by age, blankly stating there’s a rough fatality rate of 1.9% is quite improper. Please let us know the people whose deaths shouldn’t be counted. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5953 "2020-12-07T08:39:58Z")
Recent developments in Austria: - Mass (voluntary) testing of the entire population (some 9 million people) began last week. Everyone is encouraged to attend a local testing centre for a free test. I assume everything is going well as I haven’t heard any complaints. - The rate of new infections is finally improving (down to 3000 per day from 9000+ a few weeks ago). - The strict nationwide lockdown imposed three weeks ago is being relaxed today. Museums, most retail shops, and some services (hairdressers, etc.) are permitted to reopen, with the usual provisos about wearing masks and keeping distance. Restaurants, hotels, and entertainment venues remain closed until at least early January. This includes the city’s famous Christmas markets, which are effectively cancelled this year. - Tomorrow is a public holiday (the Feast of the Immaculate Conception), but in what must be an unprecedented move in the history of the country, the government is allowing retail shops to open anyway for Christmas shopping. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5954 "2020-12-07T09:06:00Z")
Rudy Giuliani has the [virus](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/06/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-covid-donald-trump). His death won’t count if he survives. He is 76. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5955 "2020-12-07T13:05:20Z")
States which achieved a new highest daily COVID reported cases (seven day average) over the weekend. That is, since Friday, December 4. Alaska Vermont New Hampshire Maine Massachusetts New York – exceeding the previous high set in April Oregon Nevada Indiana Ohio Pennsylvania New Jersey Delaware Maryland Virginia West Virginia Kentucky California Arizona Arkansas North Carolina South Carolina District of Columbia Alabama Mississippi Louisiana Oklahoma Texas Twenty Seven states plus DC. And in most cases the new high is very significantly higher than it was earlier in the year. In many cases it’s skyrocketing up. I’m surprised at New York. For a long time they managed to avoid exceeding the number seen back in April, but you could see that a new high was only a matter of time. Massachusetts exceeded its previous high a month ago, but this new surge has prompted closings this weekend of in-school education in cities like Cambridge and Framingham. It’s back to Virtual Learning. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5957 "2020-12-07T14:50:36Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > > [@FigNorton](#): > > > > That’s a very raw case fatality rate. Coupled with how much this varies by age, blankly stating there’s a rough fatality rate of 1.9% is quite improper. > > Please let us know the people whose deaths shouldn’t be counted. **Moderator Note** Don’t deliberately misconstrue other people’s posts. If you want to know what was meant, ask in a civil fashion. Colibri QZ Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5958 "2020-12-07T15:07:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Moderator Instructions** > > That’s enough of posting blatant misinformation in this thread. I am hereby instructing you not to post further in this thread. > > Colibri > Quarantine Zone Moderator Can you please clarify what is blatant misinformation? CDC’s current best estimate of survival rate by age: 0-19 years: 99.997% 20-49 years: 99.98% 50-69 years: 99.5% 70+ years: 94.6% > **[Healthcare Workers](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)** > > COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5959 "2020-12-07T15:26:47Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > Can you please clarify what is blatant misinformation? [Global case fatality rates](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) from Johns Hopkins. The information you posted does not refute that. If you wish to discuss the fatality rate, take it to another thread. Do not debate it here. Colibri QZ Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5960 "2020-12-07T16:05:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [Global case fatality rates](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) from Johns Hopkins. > > The information you posted does not refute that. If you wish to discuss the fatality rate, take it to another thread. Do not debate it here. You’re conflating case fatality rate (CFR) with infection fatality rate (IFR). CFR considers only confirmed infections. IFR incorporates all infections. If the question is “What is the fatality rate of this disease?” IFR is what we should look at. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5961 "2020-12-07T16:14:45Z")
> [@Trom](#): > > You’re conflating case fatality rate (CFR) with infection fatality rate (IFR). CFR considers only confirmed infections. IFR incorporates all infections. If the question is “What is the fatality rate of this disease?” IFR is what we should look at. Take it to another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5962 "2020-12-07T17:43:52Z")
[West Virginia hits new weekly record for virus cases, deaths](https://apnews.com/article/west-virginia-coronavirus-pandemic-b55b04aebd39a84f0e7060c12ce1a4c0) > [@](#): > > West Virginia reported a record high of 6,211 new confirmed coronavirus cases the past week along with 109 deaths. > > The virus surge is not abating amid the holiday season and a week before the first vaccine shots are hoped to arrive in the state. Cases for the week of Nov. 30 to Dec. 6 are 18% higher than the previous record set last month. > > Deaths also hit a record, jumping 15% over the week before. The state has had a total of at least 841 deaths linked to COVID-19 and 47,242 total confirmed cases. > > In 28 of the state’s 55 counties, schools are virtual-only due to the severity of virus spread. Republican Gov. Jim Justice has resisted closing schools statewide, saying he wants to keep public life open as much as possible with mask wearing. > > But he admitted Monday that increased testing is not stemming outbreaks. The rate of people testing positive is increasing, up to 7.24%. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5963 "2020-12-07T18:28:43Z")
My post above from earlier today indicated that West Virginia is among the 26 states reporting new weekly high daily reported cases 9seven day average), but that single details doesn’t give a picture of what’s going on in the state. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5964 "2020-12-07T18:32:06Z")
- Ohio Department of Health now recommending those in Ohio avoid traveling to Ohio\* [Ohio Department of Health now recommending those in Ohio avoid traveling to Ohio (news5cleveland.com)](https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-now-recommending-those-in-ohio-avoid-traveling-to-ohio?fbclid=IwAR2rwMXseSv7M0TAA88LMxz53H8IyiJjGf82CikJHnybXId0neVX8Hi6gZQ) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5965 "2020-12-07T19:37:58Z")
There is much in the local FL news in the last couple of days about how various media investigations are turning up real evidence of widespread suppression of the statistical reality in FL. FL isn’t showing up at near top of the COVID-19 case data not because it’s healthier, but because the state-level government is doing more to hide reality than react to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/5966 "2020-12-07T21:50:48Z")
Kansas: > **[As virus spreads, Kansas hospital runs out of staff](https://apnews.com/article/technology-kansas-coronavirus-pandemic-c924f4f1ecc5f561e9b4fd6e6bdd0e33)** > > The radiology technician slept in an RV in the parking lot of his rural Kansas hospital for more than a week because his co-workers were out sick with COVID-19 and no one else was available to take X-rays. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=296) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=298)