# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 305
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6107 "2020-12-17T00:56:53Z")
I think it makes a difference for the additional people who can get vaccinated. But I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6108 "2020-12-17T01:01:45Z")
My point is, don’t expect using the half empties to make any effect on the vaccine supply. The Pfizer vaccine’s delicacy and human nature will wipe it out. They put extra in vials to defend against human and production error. You can’t pretend those things don’t exist and think “oh, extra medicine!” ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6109 "2020-12-17T01:04:01Z")
> **[CDC Announces Children Will Be Last To Receive Covid Vaccine Because What Are...](https://www.theonion.com/cdc-announces-children-will-be-last-to-receive-covid-va-1845893749)** > > Hear why your place in line for a vaccine will definitely be before any of those little peabrains because what’s the worst they can do? Go cry to their mommies? /s ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6110 "2020-12-17T01:24:45Z")
It can, and will, partly offset those drags that you point out. Drags that, if the CDC still has half a brain, are already factored into the calcs of how many doses will end up in arms versus how many doses leave the factory. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6111 "2020-12-17T01:28:53Z")
It can’t, and won’t. First of all, you’re asking medical professionals to basically go off label instructions. Iffy. You’re also assuming there’s no problem using a partial vial with a drug that is now notoriously finicky. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6112 "2020-12-17T04:46:40Z")
The vials hold five doses each. “Partial vials” are supposed to be used. The FDA OK’d it. I don’t blindly believe everything they say, but I’ll start with a bit more trust in them than someone’s kneejerk reaction on the internet. ETA: I’ve used injectable medication before, and it’s usually overfilled – I assume to make sure no one receives too little of their medication. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6113 "2020-12-17T04:51:20Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > The vials hold five doses each. “Partial vials” are supposed to be used. This. As a rule, vaccine makers put a little more than the designated number of doses in a vial anyway (to account for small variances in filling the vials), but they discovered, in this case, that most of the vials, in fact, contain enough for six or seven doses. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6114 "2020-12-17T05:33:45Z")
74,534,581 total cases 1,655,230 dead 52,373,081 recovered In the US: 17,392,618 total cases 314,577 dead 10,170,735 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 73,809,725 total cases > 1,641,741 dead > 51,819,551 recovered > > In the US: > > 17,143,779 total cases > 311,068 dead > 10,007,853 recovered ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6115 "2020-12-17T09:40:25Z")
From Heather Cox Richardson. > **[Log into Facebook](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2537800993030618&id=241446929332714&ref=page_internal)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. I can’t copy from my phone, but this is a horrifying update about the administration’s statex intention to infect people. Richardson gives her cites in the first comment of each daily memo. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6116 "2020-12-17T10:11:13Z")
[French President Macron tests positive for COVID-19.](https://apnews.com/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-coronavirus-pandemic-b88c7ec3a89ec2269b83a9aba3b66ed9) > PARIS (AP) — French President Emmanuel Macron has tested positive for COVID-19, the presidential Elysee Palace announced on Thursday. > It said the president took a test “as soon as the first symptoms appeared.” The brief statement did not say what symptoms Macron experienced. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6117 "2020-12-17T17:41:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > but they discovered, in this case, that most of the vials, in fact, contain enough for six or seven doses. one or two more and it’s a Chanukah miracle! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6118 "2020-12-17T19:42:50Z")
Thanks for sharing this. I read her sometimes, but hadn’t seen this yet. The quotes at the beginning literally made me cry. The senselessness of all these deaths. Based on such literal non-sense. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6119 "2020-12-17T19:59:31Z")
(Except both can have low blood pressure.) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6120 "2020-12-17T20:58:22Z")
Latest states with all-time highest daily reported cases (seven-day averaged) on December 16 Maine Tennessee California Louisiana Texas Only five states, but it’s shooting up exponentially in three of them. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6121 "2020-12-18T00:43:42Z")
I’d really like to see the uncooked books on FL. Sadly they don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6122 "2020-12-18T03:59:39Z")
In the “what the actual fuck” department: - Numerous states are reporting that they have been told to expect reductions in the number of Pfizer vaccine doses that they will be receiving over the next two weeks (typically in the range of 30-40% less). - HHS and the Federal government are saying that it’s due to a shortage in how many doses will be available. - Pfizer, OTOH, says that they have “millions of doses” waiting to go in their warehouses, but the Feds have yet to tell them where to ship them. > **[States report confusion as government reduces vaccine shipments, while Pfizer...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/17/pfizer-vaccine-supply-states/)** > > The changes prompted concern in health departments across the country about whether Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration’s vaccine accelerator, was capable of distributing doses quickly enough to meet the target of delivering first shots to... ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6123 "2020-12-18T04:12:27Z")
Panama hit a new high of 3,348 cases today, the first time it’s been over 3,000, and we’ve topped 300,000 total cases. The government’s response to this has been to move the nightly curfew up from 9 PM to 7 PM, forbid people to go to the beach, and declare lockdowns from 5 PM on Christmas Day until 5 AM the following Monday, and 5 PM on New Year’s Day until 5 AM the following Monday. This makes no sense at all to me. People are going to gather on Christmas Day or New Year’s Day, not on the weekend after. And there is already a curfew in the evening of Christmas Eve and New Year’s Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6124 "2020-12-18T04:20:40Z")
Moderna’s vaccine is getting the green light: > **[FDA plans to OK 2nd COVID-19 vaccine after panel endorsement](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-4b34a3ffaf501bcb5300984f98cca757)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The head of the Food and Drug Administration said late Thursday that his agency will move to quickly authorize the second COVID-19 vaccine to fight the pandemic, hours after the shot won the key endorsement of a government advisory... > [@](#): > > The head of the Food and Drug Administration said late Thursday that his agency will move to quickly authorize the second COVID-19 vaccine to fight the pandemic, hours after the shot won the key endorsement of a government advisory panel. > > FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said in a statement that regulators have communicated their plans to drugmaker Moderna, which co-developed the vaccine with the National Institutes of Health. The announcement came after a panel of FDA advisers, in a 20-0 vote, ruled that the benefits of the vaccine outweighed the risks for those 18 years old and up. > > Once FDA’s emergency use authorization is granted, Moderna will begin shipping millions of doses, earmarked for health workers and nursing home residents, to boost the largest vaccination effort in U.S. history. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6125 "2020-12-18T05:14:46Z")
75,282,798 total cases 1,668,356 dead 52,852,602 recovered In the US: 17,626,770 total cases 317,928 dead 10,291,057 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 74,534,581 total cases > 1,655,230 dead > 52,373,081 recovered > > In the US: > > 17,392,618 total cases > 314,577 dead > 10,170,735 recovered The US is currently experiencing well over 3,000 covid deaths per day (which comes out to about 25% of all covid deaths for those days). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6126 "2020-12-18T06:09:18Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > In the “what the actual fuck” department: > > - Numerous states are reporting that they have been told to expect reductions in the number of Pfizer vaccine doses that they will be receiving over the next two weeks (typically in the range of 30-40% less). Do you recall a few days ago when Trump announced he was holding an Operation Warp Speed “summit”? Representatives from both Pfizer and Moderna declined to attend. They understood Trump was trying to take credit for the vaccine development and they didn’t wish to be a part of it. Then the New York Times published a story under a headline that read something like, “Science Wins Despite Trump’s Obstacles.” That’s not exactly right, but I can’t find the piece now. I am positive these two items of information taken together explain why these reductions are happening. And who is behind them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=304) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=306)