# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 310
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6207 "2020-12-23T06:16:25Z")
The list of which industries are allowed to open in Ontario is linked in this CBC article: > **[Here's what's allowed and not allowed under Ontario's provincewide lockdown |...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-shutdown-details-pdf-1.5850224)** > > Tighter restrictions on gatherings and businesses took effect on Boxing Day when Ontario implements a provincewide lockdown. Here's a guide to what's open, what's closed and what's limited. Going through it, it looks like more is open than not, but of course that doesn’t account for number of different types of establishments. (I work in manufacturing. A memo went up: we resume after the holidays on the 4th of January as usual. Unless our customers shut down…) ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6208 "2020-12-23T08:23:10Z")
Taiwan just had its first domestic transmission in 255 days, and had been reported to be a person who was in “close contact” with a pilot, a foreign national living in Taiwan, who was infected overseas. Apparently, information has already leaked and the pilot’s name and photo is being widely circulated. My wife’s friend forwarded pictures not only of the pilot but also the woman who was in “close contact” with the pilot, his girlfriend. I can image his wife can’t be too happy about all of this. The pilot lied to authorities about where he had been and who he had seen and was fined the equivalent of US$10,000. Messy situation for everyone. Taiwan continues to do well. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6209 "2020-12-23T08:40:51Z")
4,052 deaths in one day in the US alone? Are you sure about the numbers here? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6210 "2020-12-23T08:46:54Z")
Am I sure I copied and pasted the numbers the same as I’ve done hundreds of times in the past nine months plus now? Yeah; I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6211 "2020-12-23T11:37:17Z")
Thanks. That’s an incredibly bad day for the US. And, yet, there are still idiots who spew not only the virus but also nonsensical beliefs about the pandemic being a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6212 "2020-12-23T11:41:18Z")
Updated vaccinated numbers from the [Bloomberg tracker](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/) as of Dec. 22, 2020… 2.4M vaccinated in six countries. 778K in US. > [@](#): > > The first Covid-19 shots have been given to more than 2.4 million people in six countries, according to data collected by Bloomberg. It’s the start of the biggest vaccination campaign in history and one of the largest logistical challenges ever undertaken. > > Vaccinations in the U.S. began Dec. 14 with health-care workers, and so far 777,766 doses have been administered, according to a state-by-state tally by Bloomberg. Those numbers are accelerating as a second vaccine by Moderna Inc. is distributed ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6213 "2020-12-23T15:34:56Z")
Workplaces are now the biggest reservoirs for cases. I hope things improve quickly. But there may be changes in this list if they do not. Personal regards. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6214 "2020-12-23T15:44:03Z")
Breaking news on the BBC - Tier 4 areas in England are greatly extended as of Boxing Day. Further lockdowns in the other home nations. > **[Covid: What is the guidance across the UK now?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518)** > > Almost all of the UK's Covid rules have ended, two years after they were introduced. > **More parts of England will be moved into the toughest tier four restrictions from Boxing Day, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced.** > > These tighter measures have been introduced to curb the spread of a new variant of Covid-19. These areas join London and much of south-east England in tier four. > > Other parts of England have also been placed in higher tiers. > > The whole of Wales has entered another lockdown. Mainland Scotland and Northern Ireland start new lockdowns on Boxing Day. Included in those moving to Tier 4: me. Hey-ho. j ETA - the article also includes a handy guide to Tier 4 restrictions ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6215 "2020-12-23T17:03:59Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Am I sure I copied and pasted the numbers the same as I’ve done hundreds of times in the past nine months plus now? Yeah; I’m sure. Are you still using Worldometer for the stats? The numbers you posted don’t match up over the past couple days. Maybe they back-filled some cases and deaths over previous days? ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6216 "2020-12-23T17:08:26Z")
Remember that those numbers are not rolling 7-day averages, so reporting variances can come into play. The previous day was 1,903. The numbers Snowboarder Bo posted are totals. Best considered that way. If you want to look at daily counts, you’ll get a better sense by looking at the rolling 7-day average, which smoothes out the reporting variances. Any way you slice it, the numbers are awful, though. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6217 "2020-12-23T17:44:08Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > Are you still using Worldometer for the stats? The numbers you posted don’t match up over the past couple days. Maybe they back-filled some cases and deaths over previous days? Aye: still [WoM](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/). It’s entirely possible that they got new data and added it to the totals somewhere; that does happen. It also has happened at least once that they changed so much data that I was unable to discern exactly where the changes had been implemented and so had to briefly suspend “yesterday’s” numbers until WoM got themselves back on an orderly track. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6218 "2020-12-23T18:09:28Z")
This illustrates what we’re up against. [https://www.axios.com/axios-ipsos-coronavirus-survivors-5fb99e81-f5bf-470d-b168-7a48af2355ce.html](https://www.axios.com/axios-ipsos-coronavirus-survivors-5fb99e81-f5bf-470d-b168-7a48af2355ce.html) [![](https://i.imgur.com/Cr2USrd.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/Cr2USrd.jpg) > … > **By the numbers:** 54% of the coronavirus survivors in our survey said contracting the virus made them take it more seriously, compared to just 15% who now take it less seriously. > > - 63% said they’re likely to take a vaccine once it’s publicly available — 15 percentage points higher than the general population. > > **Key caveat:** This survey covered 319 people who said they had tested positive for a coronavirus infection. That’s a relatively small sample, and it has a relatively large margin of error, at +/- 7.5 percentage points. > > - But it’s still the first survey of its kind, and it provides valuable statistical insight, in big-picture terms, into the thoughts and feelings of the large and growing share of Americans who have been infected during this pandemic. > … > > **“There has been this mindset** — really based on very little evidence — that if you’re not 75 and over with lots of chronic diseases, it’s just not a big deal,” Jha said. “And that mindset is wrong and destructive.” ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6219 "2020-12-24T01:39:05Z")
Per Worldometer, the USA had now passed the 1000 / million (=1 / 1000) dead mark. One in every 1000 American residents alive in January of 2020 died of covid this year. Pretty sobering. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6220 "2020-12-24T03:34:49Z")
For comparison, the normal USA death rate (non-COVID) is around 8 / 1000. More thoughts: most of the deaths will be early by 1 year, and are not in the child-rearing age group, so effect on birth rate and total population will be minimal. Those waiting for world-ending pestilence will have to wait for another pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6221 "2020-12-24T03:43:46Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > One in every 1000 American residents alive in January of 2020 died of covid this year. > [@Melbourne](#): > > For comparison, the normal USA death rate (non-COVID) is around 8 / 1000. So…the death rate from COVID is lower than the normal death rate? Or the death rate from COVID is quite high as it relates to the normal death rate? There are three kinds of people in the world: those who are good at math and those who aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6222 "2020-12-24T03:53:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Or the death rate from COVID is quite high as it relates to the normal death rate? Quite high. (But I’m just repeating numbers I’ve seen). Actually, much worse than I’ve quoted, because the deaths are happening now, at the end of the year, and will continue to happen at the start of next year, until the vaccination program kicks in. I’m guessing that a July-June year will look much worse than 2020 or 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6223 "2020-12-24T04:02:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > So…the death rate from COVID is lower than the normal death rate? Or the death rate from COVID is quite high as it relates to the normal death rate? About 3.2 million Americans will die from all causes this year, an increase of about 400,000 over 2019, the increase mostly due to COVID. [US deaths in 2020 top 3 million, by far most ever counted | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7) ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6224 "2020-12-24T04:12:09Z")
Lets say that 2000 people die of cancer every day in the USA. Right now 4000 people are dying of COVID every day in the USA. If you are American, COVID is the major cause of death. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6225 "2020-12-24T04:23:14Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > an increase of about 400,000 over 2019 This is what really matters. People can die from the pandemic without being infected directly, and perhaps more importantly from being infected but not being tested… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6226 "2020-12-24T06:02:18Z")
79,057,616 total cases 1,737,751 dead 55,648,937 recovered In the US: 18,917,152 total cases 334,218 dead 11,101,866 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 78,366,297 total cases > 1,724,039 dead > 55,128,559 recovered > > In the US: > > 18,684,628 total cases > 330,824 dead > 10,945,097 recovered [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=309) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=311)