# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 314
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6287 "2020-12-28T22:02:05Z")
Asked Nov 23 > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Are there any COVID stats coming out of Russia these days? Dec 4 > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Are there any COVID stats coming out of Russia these days? Today > [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Russia has announced a massive uplift in the number of Covid deaths due to previous under reporting. > > > [the Guardian – 28 Dec 20](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported) > > > > ### [Russia admits to world’s third-worst Covid-19 death toll](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported) > > > > More than 186,000 Russians have died due to coronavirus, three times more than previously reported > > It was previously 55k, now the total is 186k. I wonder why they decided to publish the numbers now? ---
**Author:** ![teelabrown](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teelabrown/32/8412_2.png) [@teelabrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teelabrown)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6288 "2020-12-28T22:06:52Z")
To get access to a larger share of western-developed vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6289 "2020-12-29T02:37:02Z")
Why would you want to vaccinate dead people? /kidding Perhaps the Sputnik vaccine is less effective than touted or they have production problems. I still don’t buy their numbers; too many doctors still leaping(?) to their death. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6290 "2020-12-29T02:49:46Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > too many doctors still leaping(?) to their death. Huh? Is there a news story i missed? I was thinking Russia might be more willing to admit past deaths now that they are delivering a vaccine. The people are less likely to riot. Speaking of vaccines, al Jazeera had an interesting summary of which countries have started vaccinating people, and who was vaccinated first. Old people and healthcare workers are common, but so are heads of state. > **[Which countries have rolled out COVID vaccine?](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/24/vaccine-rollout-which-countries-have-started)** > > Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Sputnik V and Sinopharm vaccines being administered to people in over a dozen countries. China is weirdly absent. I’m not sure why. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6291 "2020-12-29T02:59:55Z")
On a more depressing note, Iran cut a deal to obtain vaccine from COVAX, the big international distribution system, but now Iran says the US financial blockade prevents them from actually paying for the vaccines. They are working on developing their own. > **[Iran set to begin human trials of its COVID vaccine](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/28/iran-to-begin-human-trials-on-local-covid-vaccine)** > > Health ministry official says seven other Iranian vaccines expected to clear animal trials by late February. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6292 "2020-12-29T05:25:49Z")
81,673,086 total cases 1,781,539 dead 57,799,127 recovered In the US: 19,781,624 total cases 343,182 dead 11,696,727 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 81,145,241 total cases > 1,771,982 dead > 57,294,152 recovered > > In the US: > > 19,573,847 total cases > 341,138 dead > 11,495,875 recovered ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6293 "2020-12-29T06:06:34Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Only two states list historic highs of reported cases (seven day average) for yesterday, December 26 Unfortunately, we have reason to believe there will be a spike due to the holidays, which we won’t see in total until at least two weeks later. Plus there’s the likelihood that people would delay testing around the holidays. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6294 "2020-12-29T12:46:49Z")
I don’t think that’s how spikes work. It’s not just two weeks and done. The spike is all the people that got COVID because of Christmas gatherings, and all the people they gave it to. Spikes ripple. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6295 "2020-12-29T13:55:20Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > More thoughts: most of the deaths will be early by 1 year, and are not in the child-rearing age group, so effect on birth rate and total population will be minimal. Those waiting for world-ending pestilence will have to wait for another pandemic. One thing to keep in mind is that it’s not just about the death rates. Another big concern is residual symptoms in those who recover from the virus, some of which can be very serious and debilitating. An example is my youngest sister. She came down with the virus right before Thanksgiving, likely getting it from her teenaged daughter, who got it at school. Everyone in her family then came down with it. Everyone subsequently recovered with minimal symptoms _except_ my sister. She has had intense, continuous, sharp chest pain since coming down with the virus. She hasn’t been able to sleep or work in the last month. She has seen a cardiologist, and they think it may be pericarditis. She’s getting a chest CT and echocardiogram tomorrow. Note that my sister is in excellent shape with no co-morbidities. She’s also only 39 years old. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6296 "2020-12-29T15:15:35Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I don’t think that’s how spikes work. It’s not just two weeks and done. The spike is all the people that got COVID because of Christmas gatherings, and all the people they gave it to. Spikes ripple. Yes, [this blog post](https://covidtracking.com/analysis-updates/daily-covid-19-data-is-about-to-get-weird) gives a good overview of what (real and artificial) holiday spikes look like. Basically, any effect from Christmas gatherings would be evident _starting_ roughly two weeks after Christmas and continuing for multiple weeks after that. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6297 "2020-12-29T15:28:01Z")
> [@robby](#): > > She has had intense, continuous, sharp chest pain since coming down with the virus. She hasn’t been able to sleep or work in the last month. She has seen a cardiologist, and they think it may be pericarditis. She’s getting a chest CT and echocardiogram tomorrow. Ug, sorry to hear that. I wish we had more data on how common that sort of thing is. Death rate is fairly easy to track (imperfect, but decent). Morbidity rate is really hard to know, at least at this point in time. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6298 "2020-12-29T15:31:36Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > On a more depressing note, Iran cut a deal to obtain vaccine from COVAX, the big international distribution system, but now Iran says the US financial blockade prevents them from actually paying for the vaccines. They are working on developing their own. I am no fan of the Iranian regime but that’s a disgrace. They’re just people and deserve the vaccine as much as anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6299 "2020-12-29T15:38:04Z")
I see an opportunity for a humanitarian gesture from an incoming President, that could potentially open the door for more fruitful relations… ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6300 "2020-12-29T15:48:50Z")
**robby** , sorry to hear about your sister. I hope she makes a full recovery soon. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > I wish we had more data on how common that sort of thing is. Death rate is fairly easy to track (imperfect, but decent). Morbidity rate is really hard to know, at least at this point in time. Do you mean long Covid? There has been quite a bit written about it. The actual statistics will be hard to find since not everyone will see a doctor for long running symptoms, but there have been a few studies, particularly in the beginning of the pandemic. This [study](https://www.itv.com/news/2020-08-12/long-covid-what-is-it-what-are-the-symptoms-and-what-help-is-there-for-sufferers) from the UK was early in the pandemic and had an estimate of 10% of long Covid. > [@](#): > > The effects of Long Covid, as it has become known (although this is not a medical term), are far reaching - with a vast array of symptoms encompassing both physical and neurological - that drag into weeks and often months. > > Most people with Covid-19 who did not require ICU treatment are better within three weeks. > > But a study by King’s College London found an estimated 10% of people with the virus take at least three weeks to recover, with 250,000 people in the UK alone thought to experience symptoms for 30 days or more. More info. on heart damage from long Covid. > **[Long Covid: the evidence of lingering heart damage](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/04/long-covid-the-evidence-of-lingering-heart-damage)** > > Cardiologists are finding that heart problems can persist long after Covid-19 Other effects of long Covid on Mayo Clinic article. > **[COVID-19: Long-term effects](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351)** > > Learn about the possible long-term effects of COVID-19. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6301 "2020-12-29T15:55:57Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I don’t think that’s how spikes work. It’s not just two weeks and done. The spike is all the people that got COVID because of Christmas gatherings, and all the people they gave it to. Spikes ripple. Plus trends tend to spike quickly and then recede very slowly. It could be a couple months after the spike before things settle down again. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6302 "2020-12-29T16:28:28Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > > [@smithsb](#): > > > > too many doctors still leaping(?) to their death. > > Huh? Is there a news story i missed? > > I was thinking Russia might be more willing to admit past deaths now that they are delivering a vaccine. The people are less likely to riot. [https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/europe/russia-medical-workers-windows-intl/index.html) And others - suspicion about mental illness effects. > **[Russian doctors demand probe into Covid-19 patient fall deaths](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9029597/Russian-doctors-demand-probe-Covid-19-patients-jumping-high-rise-buildings.html)** > > Russian doctors have called for an investigation into how and why so many Covid-19 sufferers are falling to their deaths after a 101-year-old war veteran fell from a hospital window in Moscow. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6303 "2020-12-29T19:24:23Z")
No new record daily highest reported cases (seven day average) for any state recorded since South Carolina’s on December 26. Aside from that, no state or territory had highs reported for days or even weeks. If it weren’t for the Christmas holiday travel, I would think we’d turned a corner, but I expect another uptick in a couple of weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6304 "2020-12-29T20:44:06Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I am no fan of the Iranian regime but that’s a disgrace. They’re just people and deserve the vaccine as much as anyone. Doesn’t this work both ways, though? If they want the vaccine, _they_ can act. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6305 "2020-12-29T20:56:18Z")
What action do you suggest? They aren’t the ones who pulled out of the nuclear deal and imposed sanctions on themselves ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/6306 "2020-12-29T21:05:13Z")
Let’s not get bogged down in the details of whether they were cheating and whether the sanctions are justified in the first place, that’s not for this thread. Obviously if you think the sanctions were not justified, then you’re going to think the vaccine situation just makes it worse. But if the sanctions are justified, I don’t see how the COVID situation suddently puts the burden entirely on the U.S. side to act unilaterally. The sanctions are there because the U.S. wants them to do something. If they want the vaccine, they could _ask_ what they need to do to get it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=313) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=315)