# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2020 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758 "2020-02-11T01:16:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1243 "2020-03-22T00:16:42Z")
**[A plea from doctors in Italy: To avoid Covid-19 disaster, treat more patients at home](https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-plea-from-italy-treat-patients-at-home/)** > [@](#): > > The experience of the Bergamo doctors is crucial for U.S. physicians to understand “because some of the mistakes that happened in Italy can happen here,” said Maurizo Cereda, co-director of the surgical ICU at Penn Medicine and a co-author of the paper. . . . > > . . . hospitals might be “the main” source of Covid-19 transmission, the Bergamo doctors warned. The related coronavirus illness MERS also has high transmission rates within hospitals, as did SARS during its 2003 epidemic. > > Major hospitals such as Bergamo’s “are themselves becoming sources of [coronavirus] infection,” Cereda said, with Covid-19 patients indirectly transmitting infections to non-Covid-19 patients. Ambulances and infected personnel, especially those without symptoms, carry the contagion both to other patients and back into the community. > > “All my friends in Italy tell me the same thing,” Cereda said. “[Covid-19] patients started arriving and the rate of infection in other patients soared. That is one thing that probably led to the current disaster.” Patients with mild to moderate symptoms need to be cared for with house calls, and then, if severe, transported to designated fever hospitals by dedicated fever ambulance crews. Otherwise it sounds like the social distancing won’t work. Here is the original article from _New England Journal of Medicine Catalyst_: [At the Epicenter of the Covid-19 Pandemic and Humanitarian Crises in Italy: Changing Perspectives on Preparation and Mitigation](https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.20.0080) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1244 "2020-03-22T00:31:43Z")
In Oregon, there are boxes at the drive-up points. You can also mail your ballot. You can also wait for election days and hand it to the volunteer at a collection point. Voting by mail just isn’t difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1245 "2020-03-22T00:48:46Z")
I know that “wild speculation” isn’t breaking news. But if the USA suspends exports of critical medical supplies, as some other countries have done, and as there is some speculation might happen … then it will have seismic impact on Australia, similar to declaration of war. If the medical supply contracts are torn up, the international patent agreements protecting those suppliers will be torn up too. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1246 "2020-03-22T00:59:59Z")
Some very sobering numbers coming out of Italy. The death toll has risen by almost 800. 13 doctors have died. Also, I saw this stat on Twitter: Total is now over 300K It took 3 months for the first 100K It took 12 days for the second 100K It tool 3 days for the third 100K ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1247 "2020-03-22T01:15:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Democrats have been pointing out Trump’s unfitness for the office for a long time. Why would his hand-picked sycophants listen to reason now? > > No way Trump is removed from office anytime soon. The GOP is all in, and the Trumpists think he’s doing a great job. Well yeah. The Dems should make it clear that the alternative is that they will impeach Trump again, this time specifically over his continuing dereliction of duty in the face of the pandemic. The GOP Senators can decide whether they want to vote to keep a devastatingly incompetent President in office at a time when that incompetence might result in a million or more deaths. The memo to the GOP would be: either use the 25th Amendment to put Pence in charge for the duration, or we’ll hang this catastrophe around the necks of every GOP Senator. The GOP would still behave just as they have before. But as the bodies piled up, it would cost them. ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1248 "2020-03-22T01:32:46Z")
Here is an excellent coronavirus Q&A session with Dr. Larry Brilliant, epidemiologist, conducted by Wire. It is very informative. > **[The Doctor Who Helped Defeat Smallpox Explains What's Coming](https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/?utm_source=pocket-newtab)** > > Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant, who warned of pandemic in 2006, says we can beat the novel coronavirus—but first, we need lots more testing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1249 "2020-03-22T01:43:17Z")
According to the John’s hopkins site, the US is now #3 in the world in total infections, behind China and Italy. I expect the US to be in the #1 spot in 2 or 3 weeks. Unless they stop all testing (or reporting on tests) because it “makes them look bad”. They may want to follow the North Korea or Russia example (deny a problem with the virus, and then in 8 months, announce a tragic mining disaster that kills 4.5 million people by accident.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1250 "2020-03-22T01:52:59Z")
[1st federal inmate tests positive for coronavirus](https://apnews.com/ec49cc7f4d1b00bc5010dfb6d935e042). > [@](#): > > An inmate at a federal jail in New York City has tested positive for coronavirus, marking the first confirmed case in the federal prison system. > > The inmate, who is housed at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, complained of chest pains on Thursday, a few days after he arrived at the facility, the federal Bureau of Prisons told The Associated Press. He was taken to a local hospital and was tested for COVID-19, officials said. > > The inmate was discharged from the hospital on Friday and returned to the jail, where he was immediately placed in isolation, the agency said. The Bureau of Prisons learned Saturday that he had tested positive for COVID-19. > > The inmate remained isolated away from other prisoners on Saturday, but medical and psychiatric staff were visiting him routinely, officials said. That can’t be good news. ——— > [@Harrington](#): > > Here is an excellent coronavirus Q&A session with Dr. Larry Brilliant, epidemiologist, conducted by Wire. It is very informative. > > [The Doctor Who Helped Defeat Smallpox Explains What's Coming | WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/?utm_source=pocket-newtab) Aye; very good interview. Definitely recommend that people check it out. It isn’t long, it’s very well put together and it has an excellently calm tone. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1251 "2020-03-22T01:55:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > According to the John’s hopkins site, the US is now #3 in the world in total infections, behind China and Italy. I expect the US to be in the #1 spot in 2 or 3 weeks. Unless they stop all testing (or reporting on tests) because it “makes them look bad”. They may want to follow the North Korea or Russia example (deny a problem with the virus, and then in 8 months, announce a tragic mining disaster that kills 4.5 million people by accident.) Nah; we’ll have the top spot locked up in less than a week; maybe by Wednesday night, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1252 "2020-03-22T02:00:55Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And why would the Dems agree to do it now? Maybe because they actually didn’t want a lot of extra people to die? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1253 "2020-03-22T02:05:06Z")
> [@Harrington](#): > > Here is an excellent coronavirus Q&A session with Dr. Larry Brilliant, epidemiologist, conducted by Wire. . . . . It was reasonable two days ago, but both [science](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22202797&postcount=1240) and the extent of the spread has outdated some of this. And even by two-days-ago standards, he doesn’t understand South Korea, where less than one percent of the population has been tested. South Koreans do not rush out to get a test whenever they have a bad cold, because they know there aren’t enough tests for that. Just as they don’t rush out to see a health care provider. If your cold turns into something so bad that your doc tells you, on the phone, that you need to go to a hospital, you need to go to a hospital pavillion where you will be totally isolated from non-fever patients by being in a separate building. Testing everyone who might have COVID-19 will not change the treatment, and isn’t realistic for several months yet. Not even in South Korea. Universal testing is realistic in Iceland, but, as far as I can tell, no other country. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1254 "2020-03-22T02:26:23Z")
P.S. to #1250 Re South Korea, almost everyone wears a mask. [Homemade](https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/doctors-are-now-running-out-of-face-masks-heres-how-to-make-your-own/) is better than nothing so long it you keep in mind that value is limited and don’t do something you wouldn’t do unmasked. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1255 "2020-03-22T02:40:24Z")
A disturbing article in The (Toronto) Globe and Mail today on March 21, 2020 called “When does social distancing end? These graphs show where we’re headed and why.” It shows the mathematical consequences of ending social distancing after 1, 3 and 6 months etc. and discusses why it might be hard to end it sooner in Canada, as well as “planking the curve”. > **[When does social distancing end? These graphs show where we’re heading and why](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/)** > > Faced with a population that has no immunity to the virus, the only option to lessen the impact of the coronavirus pandemic is to drastically reduce opportunities for human contact ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1256 "2020-03-22T04:10:34Z")
308,231 confirmed infection 13,067 dead 95,826 recovered In the US: 26,863 confirmed infection 348 dead 178 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 276,113 confirmed infections > 11,402 dead > 91,952 recovered > > In the US: > > 19,640 confirmed infections > 264 dead > 147 recovered The US did indeed leap ahead of Iran, Germany and Spain today to take the #3 spot for confirmed infections. At this rate, we will likely take pass Italy on Monday and take the top spot from China on Wednesday. At this point IMO there is a very real possibility that the US will suffer by far the highest death toll of any nation, like 30-40x what China has tallied. American society is woefully unprepared for the discipline this will take to get thru, and the federal elected leadership is faltering badly in every way (again: IMO). Worldwide there are now over 1 billion people on lockdown/quarantine. If some jackass takes out the internet, society will collapse overnight. ETA: Not joking. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1257 "2020-03-22T04:54:08Z")
[38 positive for coronavirus in NYC jails, including Rikers](https://apnews.com/54dbc9d47f62cf0c0240314310cfe909) > [@](#): > > New York City was hit by the nation’s largest coronavirus jail outbreak to date this week, with at least 38 people testing positive at the notorious Rikers Island complex and nearby facilities — more than half of them incarcerated men, the board that oversees the city’s jail system said Saturday. > [@](#): > > In a letter to New York’s criminal justice leaders, Board of Correction interim chairwoman Jacqueline Sherman described a jail system in crisis. > > She said in the last week, board members learned that 12 Department of Correction employees, five Correctional Health Services employees, and 21 people in custody at Rikers and city jails had tested positive for the coronavirus. > > And at least another 58 were being monitored in the prison’s contagious disease and quarantine units, she said. > > “It is likely these people have been in hundreds of housing areas and common areas over recent weeks and have been in close contact with many other people in custody and staff,” said Sherman, warning that cases could skyrocket. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1258 "2020-03-22T05:07:04Z")
Australia…where to start. [Here’s a good place to start.](https://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/coronavirus/) [Western and South Australia are](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/wa-sa-set-to-close-borders-amid-coronavirus-fight/12079044) closing borders starting Tuesday. Essential workers and such are exempt, and interstate arrivals are to isolate for 14 days. If I recall correctly, the Northern Territory and Tasmania have already instituted similar measures. [New South Wales and Victoria will shut down](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/coronavirus-nsw-victoria-shutdown-non-essential-services/12079124) non-essential businesses and services; details to follow, but it does not apply to the usual suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1259 "2020-03-22T05:21:14Z")
Hawaii’s Governor David Ige today announced [a mandatory 14-day self-quarantine for ALL travelers flying into Hawaii from anywhere, mainland or international](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/22/live-governor-expected-announce-new-restrictions-bid-fight-spread-virus/). Starting this coming Thursday. It will include the constant stream of visiting doctors and nurses, which will hurt, because Hawaii has a chronic shortage of both. No word on how this could be enforced, but break the quarantine and you could be facing a $5000 and/or a year in jail. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1260 "2020-03-22T05:22:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > At this point IMO there is a very real possibility that the US will suffer by far the highest death toll of any nation, like 30-40x what China has tallied. Yep, we’re heading there, and “exponential growth” is a term that will be regarded with dread for decades to come after being hammered in the hard way in American minds this year. This is no virus to play loosey-goosey with. It only gets stopped with draconian measures, which we don’t/can’t really take. But as mentioned earlier, I am really puzzled as to how \*\*India \*\*has successfully kept its infections to a tiny fraction of the USA’s. Many regions of India practice poor sanitation, many Hindus like to gather in massive crowds, the healthcare is substandard, the education levels aren’t as high as the West’s, many people lack even a flushing toilet - and yet they are only at a few hundred cases with a few deaths. I would have expected them to have shot to No. 2 or No. 3 worldwide by now, and outrun even the Italians by a big margin death-wise. Either they are keeping it under wraps by not testing (and the truth will eventually burn its way out,) or the authorities in India are doing a spectacular job. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1261 "2020-03-22T05:51:41Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > But as mentioned earlier, I am really puzzled as to how \*\*India \*\*has successfully kept its infections to a tiny fraction of the USA’s. Many regions of India practice poor sanitation, many Hindus like to gather in massive crowds, the healthcare is substandard, the education levels aren’t as high as the West’s, many people lack even a flushing toilet - and yet they are only at a few hundred cases with a few deaths. I would have expected them to have shot to No. 2 or No. 3 worldwide by now, and outrun even the Italians by a big margin death-wise. > > Either they are keeping it under wraps by not testing (and the truth will eventually burn its way out,) or the authorities in India are doing a spectacular job. [Curfews, lockdowns, travel bans, hand stamps for quarantine, lots of contact tracing, etc.](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india) They do have some trouble already brewing (over 300 confirmed infections) and [today they announced their very own Patient 31-type situation](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india): > [@](#): > > A 49-year-old woman, who has been tested positive for the coronavirus infection, has sent Ulhasnagar Municipal Corporation into a tizzy after the civic body learnt that she attended a satsang at a city-based ashram. > [@](#): > > A special team has been pressed into service to track all those who reportedly came in contact with the patient, who is admitted at Kasturba hospital in Mumbai. > [@](#): > > Officials said they have quarantine her family members. Five others, who had travelled with the woman to Dubai, are undergoing check-up at Kasturba Hospital in Mumbai. Officials said the woman may have came in to contact of over 1,500 people who attended the satsang on March 8. And that’s not the only story like that I saw in the past day or two. For instance: [https://www.mumbailive.com/en/health/ulhasnagar-woman-who-tested-positive-of-coronavirus-infection-attended-satsang-with-over-1500-devotees-47013](https://www.mumbailive.com/en/health/ulhasnagar-woman-who-tested-positive-of-coronavirus-infection-attended-satsang-with-over-1500-devotees-47013) > [@](#): > > On Thursday, a man from Kalyan had tested positive for COVID-19. It was later learnt that before testing positive, he had been to a wedding in Solapur. After learning this information, the Kalyan Dombivli Municipal Corporation was in a tizzy. Many people took to social media to criticise the moves of the man in question. However, it seems that people still are not taking this situation as seriously as they should. Almost every day there are news reports regarding cases of people running from hospitals after being told that they test positive. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758/1262 "2020-03-22T06:01:43Z")
This AP article was published as I was typing that last post: [India stays home in ‘people’s curfew’ to stem coronavirus](https://apnews.com/f0d7006c74214c4cbc2c86795bc920ba) > [@](#): > > The typically boisterous streets of India’s capital fell silent on Sunday as the country observed a 14-hour “people’s curfew” that Prime Minister Narendra Modi called for in a national address to stem the rising coronavirus caseload. > > In a speech last week, Modi asked Indians to stay at home but go out on their balconies at 5 p.m. with pots and pans to cheer front-line health care workers. Most businesses were expected to be closed on Sunday except for essential services like hospitals. > > A road in New Delhi near a Sufi shrine where hundreds of pilgrims often camp was empty except for an occasional passing car. > > While some Indian states had already issued stay-in-place orders, Sunday marked the first nationwide effort at social isolation practices the World Health Organization believes are critical to flattening the infection curve worldwide. > > No commercial airplanes from abroad are allowed to land in India for a week starting Sunday, and four states sealed their borders to public and tourist buses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2020-breaking-news/847758.md?page=64)