# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 1, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428 "2021-01-01T08:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2201 "2021-08-18T03:04:48Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > I was told because my first two jabs were Pfizer, I was told I had to have Pfizer for the booster. I wanted Moderna. > [@Morgyn](#): > > I haven’t been told that (because it’ll be a few months before I’m eligible for the booster), but I too was hoping that I could get Moderna this time instead of Pfizer since Moderna, I believe, has a higher dosage than Pfizer does. > > Maybe they’ll change their minds by the time I’m allowed to get it. You folks do realize that all this is actually voluntary, right? Nobody can actually prevent you from switching types. All they can actually do is go “Tut, tut” and wag their heads disapprovingly. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2202 "2021-08-18T03:23:27Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > Nobody can actually prevent you from switching types. All they can actually do is go “Tut, tut” and wag their heads disapprovingly. Well, of course they can. The other thing they can do is simply tell you ‘no’ when you ask for a different vaccine for a booster. I’m in a state database - they know exactly who I am and what shots I’ve received, where and when. For most it will probably come down to Federal guidance. If the CDC says it is okay to mix vaccines or even that it is a good idea, some locales may offer a choice. If they say it’s not okay or even just don’t issue any guidance, a lot of clinics will play it conservatively and not offer the option. Availability might also affect choice, though this should be less of a constraint than it was 3 months ago. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2203 "2021-08-18T03:52:48Z")
> [@shh1313](#): > > Found it. All in one place and no searching. > > [Moderna Covid19 Vaccine](https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/providers/clinical-trial-data) You posted this elsewhere and never returned to that thread, so I’ll say it here again: This is about risk to STOCKHOLDERS, not vaccine recipients. I don’t know what you think it proves, but in terms of the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine, it proves nothing. AND it’s 6 months old, not breaking news. Why do you keep posting this? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2204 "2021-08-18T04:12:45Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > … You posted this elsewhere and never returned to that thread, so I’ll say it here again: This is about risk to STOCKHOLDERS, not vaccine recipients. I don’t know what you think it proves, but in terms of the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine, it proves nothing. AND it’s 6 months old, not breaking news. > > Why do you keep posting this? This one is, surprisingly, the clinical test results, not the SEC filing, like all her previous links. But, as you noted, it’s far out of date, and has no bearing on getting a booster. (and doesn’t belong in this thread) It’s almost like she has an agenda or something! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2205 "2021-08-18T05:34:02Z")
209,396,608 total cases 4,394,983 dead 187,684,843 recovered In the US: 37,896,582 total cases 640,093 dead 30,289,989 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 208,713,930 total cases > 4,383,937 dead > 187,103,804 recovered > > In the US: > > 37,736,986 total cases > 638,798 dead > 30,227,302 recovered ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2206 "2021-08-18T07:05:40Z")
No agenda, it the data from all 3 trials. The other link you could read not just about covid vaccines, also the cancer vaccines and their results are accessible too. They don’t get as, much media exposure. I like to read to learn about what affects my life and everyone around me. Be it good, bad or indiffferent. Hard to believe posting about one of the companies intimately involved in our lives that people think that is an agenda ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2207 "2021-08-18T09:44:39Z")
> researchers examined 50 patients with symptoms of Long COVID syndrome to better understand if abnormal blood clotting is involved. > > They discovered that clotting markers were significantly elevated in the blood of patients with Long COVID syndrome compared with healthy controls. These clotting markers were higher in patients who required hospitalization with their initial COVID-19 infection, but they also found that even those who were able to manage their illness at home still had persistently high clotting markers. > > The researchers observed that higher clotting was directly related to other symptoms of Long COVID syndrome, such as reduced physical fitness and fatigue. Even though markers of inflammation had all returned to normal levels, this increased clotting potential was still present in Long COVID patients. Here is the latest research news on long covid. [https://doi.org/10.1111/jth.15490](https://doi.org/10.1111/jth.15490) This article has been accepted for publication and undergone full peer review but has not been through the copyediting, typesetting, pagination and proofreading process, which may lead to differences between this version and the Version of Record. Please cite this article as doi:10.1111/jth.15490 ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2208 "2021-08-18T11:53:27Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > You folks do realize that all this is actually voluntary, right? Nobody can actually prevent you from switching types. All they can actually do is go “Tut, tut” and wag their heads disapprovingly. Or, they can ask for your vax card, see that you had Pfizer before and say this one will be Pfizer. When you say you’d rather have Moderna, they say no, we were directed to give the same one as before. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2209 "2021-08-18T11:55:43Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > Or, they can ask for your vax card, At which time you could say you are there for your first. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2210 "2021-08-18T12:03:41Z")
Neither old SEC filings nor the studies used to authorize the vaccines already on the market are remotely “breaking news”. There are other threads where they can be discussed, but please drop the hijack in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2211 "2021-08-18T12:04:38Z")
Most states are maintaining a vaccine registry. If you gave you name, they probably know your vaccine history. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2212 "2021-08-18T12:20:03Z")
When I got my vaccines, there was signage specifically saying that lack of ID or insurance was not a problem. ---
**Author:** ![teelabrown](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teelabrown/32/8412_2.png) [@teelabrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teelabrown)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2213 "2021-08-18T13:08:44Z")
Gah. I’m about 18 hours post-booster. I was sick all night with chills, aches, nausea, and diarrhea. I’m still in bed and will call in sick today. At least I know my antibodies are pugnacious and looking for a fight. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2214 "2021-08-18T14:50:53Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > At which time you could say you are there for your first. Just saying. Not in New York at least; and I’m betting not in a lot of other states, either. At least, not unless you’re going to claim to be some other person entirely, showing faked ID to do so; which would cause its own problems. It’s on record who had which shots when. ETA: if they’re not asking for ID where you are, then you wouldn’t need the fake ID. But you’d still need to claim to be some other person – and probably some specific other person who you knew wasn’t vaccinated, because otherwise you’d risk bringing up somebody else’s records. In either case, you’d be screwing up somebody else’s records. Not cool. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2215 "2021-08-18T14:57:57Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > But you’d still need to claim to be some other person Maybe only Pennsylvania was as sloppily done as I experienced. At Rite Aid had I filled out the paperwork with the name Dick Hertz, 123 Any Street, Owlville, PA, I would have been vaccinated. They wanted the paperwork completed, but there was no attempt to prove accuracy. The paperwork asked a lot about _other_ vaccines (flu, shingles) and I’ve received spam from RiteAid about those services. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2216 "2021-08-18T15:55:14Z")
For some, lying about something like this is significantly different from just saying you’d like the other vaccine and getting your choice. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2217 "2021-08-18T21:22:31Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > It’s been about 27 hours since the booster and I’m feeling a little worse than I did after the second jab - raising my arm causes discomfort, I ran a slight fever last night, and some body aches. Please understand that I mean this in the best way…Hurray for your immune system reacting. Hopefully its getting the message. > [@eschrodinger](#): > > For some, lying about something like this is significantly different from just saying you’d like the other vaccine and getting your choice. I would think that someone with an iffy immune system due to chronic health conditions would want all medical treatments, including COVID vaccinations, to be documented in their records. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2218 "2021-08-18T21:35:29Z")
Yep, that’s one of the things I would be concerned about. I’m not immunocompromised, and I also generally want my medical records to be accurate. With this vaccine, it may be necessary to prove what you’ve gotten, too. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2219 "2021-08-18T22:47:47Z")
Washington governor Jay Inslee has [mandated vaccination for all school personnel](https://medium.com/@GovInslee/inslee-announces-educator-vaccination-requirement-and-statewide-indoor-mask-mandate-a2f5a47d8a31). Anyone refusing will be subject to dismissal. Unfortunately, there’s the usual opt-out of “sincerely held religious belief,” so I’m not sure how much good this does. He’s also re-instituted the statewide mask mandate. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2220 "2021-08-18T23:38:26Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Unfortunately, there’s the usual opt-out of “sincerely held religious belief,” Probably due to immediate legal or political considerations. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=110)