# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 1, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428 "2021-01-01T08:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2683 "2021-09-27T21:51:16Z")
Yeah, but my claim is that neither a photo of the document, nor the original document itself, is much by way of “proof”. That’s a document that _I_ could forge with my home-grade laser printer. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2684 "2021-09-27T22:54:14Z")
I had a video chat with a guy on my employer’s verification team, holding my card up to the screen, alongside my badge. He immediately questioned my third dose - why did I need it. Immunocompromised. Why? None of your business. We do not have a state system here for verification, nor could proof be submitted via a photo / attestation. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2685 "2021-09-27T23:11:38Z")
Yes, I had to certify on penalty of perjury that the document was valid. So presumably someone could be fired, or worse, for submitting a phony one. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2686 "2021-09-28T02:29:30Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Interesting. I work VERY part time for a major university that has a vaccine mandate. They required me to give them permission to look me up in the state vaccine registry. And I heard via the grapevine that they’ve already fired a couple of people for failure to comply with their mandate. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > I had to upload a copy of my vax card, too. But that’s not proof – that’s easily faked. And my employer didn’t just accept it. Two weeks later, after (I believe) they checked it for accuracy against the state registry, they told me they had accepted my evidence of vaccination. I wonder if the people who approved that verification scheme bothered to think about what they would do if the state registry contained an error. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2687 "2021-09-28T03:08:09Z")
I’m sure they did. That’s way less likely than that the piece of paper contains an error, though. 🤷‍♂️ I’ve talked to someone, I forget if it was here or another message board, who had to get his records fixed on his state vaccine registry. It can be done. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2688 "2021-09-28T03:10:42Z")
I’m a bit early tonight; I’m also a bit tired. 233,089,237 total cases 4,769,706 dead 209,807,929 recovered In the US: 43,942,335 total cases 709,119 dead 33,394,833 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 232,602,292 total cases > 4,761,948 dead > 209,239,576 recovered > > In the US: > > 43,750,983 total cases > 706,317 dead > 33,186,261 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Julius\_Henry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8797f3/32.png) [@Julius\_Henry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Julius_Henry)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2689 "2021-09-28T03:37:58Z")
From Snowboarder’s first post in this thread, January 1, 2021 > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > In the US: > > 20,445,654 total cases > 354,215 dead > 12,125,806 recovered From Snowboarder’s post right before this one, September 27, 2021 > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > In the US: > > 43,942,335 total cases > 709,119 dead > 33,394,833 recovered Simple arithmetic tells me we’ve now lost as many people so far this year as we did all last year. And we’ve had the vaccine this year. And most Americans are fully vaccinated. On the plus side, while the number of deaths has now doubled, the number of cases more than doubled, meaning we’re getting better at keeping people alive. And the increases in the world number are worse than ours. But it does seem like we’re not making any progress here at all. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2690 "2021-09-28T11:45:14Z")
> **[America’s pandemic is now an outlier in the rich world](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/09/27/americas-pandemic-is-now-an-outlier-in-the-rich-world)** > > Its daily toll of excess deaths is greater than in all other high-income countries combined America now has more covid deaths than the rest of the wealthy world combined. On per capita basis, the death rate from covid is now about 8 times higher in the US than in the rest of the wealthy parts of the world. ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2691 "2021-09-28T12:24:21Z")
re: vaccine cards - When I was vaccinated last March (J&J), I wasn’t issued the the card that I see so often, but rather they printed off the info and gave me the sheet of paper. I have yet to encounter anyone else who received their document like this. It makes me nervous in the event of proving my status. My workplace now has a modest reward system in place so that will be my first ‘use’ of it; I’ll guess I’ll see what they say about it. Has anyone here been vaccinated but received a printout? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2692 "2021-09-28T12:58:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > America now has more covid deaths than the rest of the wealthy world combined. On per capita basis, the death rate from covid is now about 8 times higher in the US than in the rest of the wealthy parts of the world. This is clear from the world data on the Johns Hopkins site, too. Although the US was passed by India by an alarming rate – the highest daily caseloads ever reported anywhere – India hit its peak around May and rapidly declined, but the US rates increased again, and we are once more by far the highest daily reported cases among the countries of the world. No one else even comes close > **[New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases)** > > Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time. On the US front, all those states that had been achieving or approaching new record highs have all simmered down, with one lone exception **Alaska** set a new seven-day average new reported case number of 1450 yesterday, its highest ever. And it’s still riding. It’s clear from the graph that many daily case reports are exceeding 4000. > **[Have we flattened the curve in the US? - Johns Hopkins](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/alaska)** > > Daily Confirmed Case Trends (7-Day Moving Average) in the US ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2693 "2021-09-28T15:32:23Z")
I was going to put this in the “share your covidiot stories” thread, but it isn’t particularly MY story: > **[Survey: Unvaccinated US college students lie about vax status to skirt mandates](https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/national/2021/09/28/survey-unvaccinated-us-college-students-lie-about-vax-status-to-skirt-mandates/)** > > Many U.S. college students are lying about being vaccinated for COVID-19 at schools that require vaccinations, according to a new survey. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2694 "2021-09-28T16:58:24Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I’ve talked to someone, I forget if it was here or another message board, who had to get his records fixed on his state vaccine registry. It can be done. I kept getting emails from the state reminding me I was eligible and due for my second dose – which was strange, since I was fully vaccinated at the end of May. I called the state, and they told me that they had not received data that I had had my second dose already. They also told me about [myirmobile.com](http://myirmobile.com), where I could get all of my vaccination records (not just COVID) and print off my Covid certificate. I called the pharmacy where I’d received my doses. They checked their computer and found out that they did indeed not send my second vaccination data, and said they’d take care of it right away. A couple of hours later I signed up for myirmobile and checked my documents. My Covid vaccination record had been updated, and my verification document (which I now have on my iPhone) had the dates, makes, and lot numbers. I checked the site again recently, and I see that it now has a line for a third dose. MyIRmobile has immunisation records for Arizona, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Dakota, Puerto Rico, Washington DC, Washington (state), West Virginia, and ‘SAFE’ (I don’t know what that is). ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2695 "2021-09-28T18:51:35Z")
I think as long as the printout shows where you were vaccinated, that should be sufficient. If it was a mainstream vax site, you’re not the only one (I’d presume) to have received a printout rather than a card. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2696 "2021-09-28T19:09:18Z")
Can you take the printout to where you got the vaccine and have them transcribe the information onto a card for you? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2697 "2021-09-28T19:15:46Z")
> [@BlueOhio](#): > > re: vaccine cards - When I was vaccinated last March (J&J), I wasn’t issued the the card that I see so often, but rather they printed off the info and gave me the sheet of paper. > > I have yet to encounter anyone else who received their document like this. It makes me nervous in the event of proving my status. My workplace now has a modest reward system in place so that will be my first ‘use’ of it; I’ll guess I’ll see what they say about it. > > Has anyone here been vaccinated but received a printout? My mom got nothing at all with her first dose (administered when she was in the hospital for something else. And technically, her discharge papers mentioned it, but not with all the detail the cards give.) When she got her second dose, she got an 8.5"x11" piece of paper that had the same info as the cards, and also listed the rest of her vaccination history, as (incompletely) on file with the state registry. It hasn’t been an issue, yet, but she hasn’t tried to do the things that want you to show the card. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2698 "2021-09-28T19:15:52Z")
If vaccine sites all have different formats for their paperwork, then vaccine mandates for public places are pretty much worthless. There’s no way that a random restaurant is going to be able to know that a random printout is valid. People could type something up in Word and print it out themselves. “This note certifies that Epstein is vaccinated. Signed, Epstein’s Mom” At least with the cards, a fraudster has to go through a bit of trouble to get a fake one that looks reasonably correct. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2699 "2021-09-28T19:19:24Z")
I could print out the “standard card” on my home printer without much trouble. It might take me an hour to get the first copy to look perfect, but the next several hundred would only take the time to hit “print” and to scribble fake dates and dose info. Without an actual vaccine passport, supported by the states, all those vaccine mandates for public places have only modest value. The value lies in the fact that not everyone is willing to use fake ID, and that is a strong public vote for “you really ought to do this.” ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2700 "2021-09-28T19:36:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I could print out the “standard card” on my home printer without much trouble. It might take me an hour to get the first copy to look perfect, but the next several hundred would only take the time to hit “print” and to scribble fake dates and dose info. I agree, but that’s takes more skill that most people are capable of. Most people would have to seek out a forger to get a fake vax card. But if they can just print something, then anyone can make their own fakes. I see this more as a problem for the vax sites. With how tough it is to get compliance, they are acting irresponsibly by creating official documents that literally anyone can print at home on paper they get from the office supply aisle at their grocery store. Public places like restaurants will have to have policies that literally anything is acceptable instead of requiring the CDC vax card. Vax paperwork given out by vax sites should be CDC cards, not random printouts on A4 paper. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2701 "2021-09-28T19:53:35Z")
No, the states should be offering a verifiable vaccine passport. Simplest would be a QR code that resolves to a site on the state’s secure website that gives the name of the person and their vax status. That combined with existing forms of ID to prove your name would be cheap and very hard to fake. You could carry the QR code on a piece of paper, or on your phone, but it would be useless without the matching photo ID, so the fact that’s it’s trivial to photocopy is a virtue, not a vice. It’s ridiculous to expect every drug store and doctor’s office to produce anything resembling a secure ID. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/2702 "2021-09-28T19:58:05Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > literally anyone can print at home on paper they get from the office supply aisle at their grocery store. I mean, you realize that it’s easy to buy white card-stock, and to cut it into a card, right? I am not very good at computer graphics. I’m trying to get my son to make a simple image for me to adorn a Discord site I run, because it’s beyond my skills. But the CDC card is easy. And if it’s easy for me, I assume I can buy a fake one on ebay or Amazon for a buck or two. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=133)