# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 1, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428 "2021-01-01T08:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1011 "2021-04-07T00:49:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > - Are the percentages computed in terms of those eligible under the EUAs or of the US populace as a whole? Including or excluding the under-18s and some of the severe disease folks in the denominator makes a material difference in what those numbers say about the rest of us. > - For the “averaging 3-4 million/day”, is that doses, or is that completed courses? IOW, are we turning out 1.5 million or 3 million fully vaccinated people per day? I’ve been following these numbers. The % includes those ineligible. But you can’t add the percents. The fully vaccinated are included among those with at least one dose. And the 3-4m/day is doses, not completed courses. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1012 "2021-04-07T00:52:00Z")
I know one source I read recently had % of those eligible as one of the numbers. It was probably the Washington Post. I’ll check for it later. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1013 "2021-04-07T01:21:03Z")
Thanks all for the clarifications. So for round numbers we have 33% = 1/3rd of Americans demonstrating by deed not word that they will accept being vaccinated. And we’re growing that number at a bit less than 1% per day and will soon be doing a full 1% a day. So we’re probably at least 20-40 out days until we start to see the vaccination effort running out of willing arms on a national scale. Locally it looks that’s already happening in some areas. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1014 "2021-04-07T03:00:18Z")
I’ve been tracking both % total and % eligible in my state, and sometimes comparing to national figures. Just from the number, i know this one is % total. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1015 "2021-04-07T03:06:21Z")
If you look at vaccination by age group, you can see that nationwide, the 75+ group seems to be leveling of at about 70% vaccinated. It’s higher in my state. But nearly everyone in the 75+ has been able to get at least a first dose of they want to, and that % is nearly complete. I’m hopeful that the numbers for younger adults aren’t too much lower. Bloomberg, NPR, and the Washington Post are all publishing decent data on it (which match, they must all be looking at the same underlying source). Any can be found by googling “source vaccination rate”. NPR and WaPo versions are free, and Bloomberg lets you read it several times before asking you to subscribe. Bloomberg has international data, the other two are US. They have slightly different cuts and different visualizations. [https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/) > **[How are the COVID-19 vaccine and booster campaigns going in your state?](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state)** > > The U.S. is striving to vaccinate as many people as possible against COVID-19 — and keep them up-to-date with boosters. But some states are lagging behind. See how yours is faring. > **[Tracking the coronavirus vaccine, state by state](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-vaccine-states-distribution-doses/)** > > How many doses of the vaccine will be available in your state? ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1016 "2021-04-07T04:09:01Z")
Sorry I was unclear. I wasn’t questioning your answer – just mentioning that those numbers are out there if people are interested in seeing them. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1017 "2021-04-07T06:40:20Z")
133,051,972 total cases 2,887,039 dead 107,301,408 recovered In the US: 31,560,438 total cases 570,260 dead 24,122,221 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 132,423,954 total cases > 2,873,802 dead > 106,750,307 recovered > > In the US: > > 31,496,976 total cases > 569,282 dead > 24,058,562 recovered ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1018 "2021-04-07T07:09:19Z")
India: > **[The Latest: Iran daily record hits 20,000 coronavirus cases](https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-mumbai-india-coronavirus-pandemic-new-delhi-a4afc7010f78d79e240eb56b965bc182)** > > BEIJING — Chinese officials say 11 more people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in a southwestern city bordering Myanmar that is the scene of China’s current sole active outbreak. Cases in the Yunnan province city of Ruili have topped 100,... ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1019 "2021-04-07T08:37:41Z")
NY, NJ, Pa, FLa. and Mich. account for almost half the new cases of coronavirus. > **[Nearly Half of New US Virus Infections Are in Just 5 States: NY, NJ, Pa.,...](https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/nearly-half-of-new-us-virus-infections-are-in-just-5-states-ny-nj-pa-fla-and-mich/2441313/)** > > Nearly half of new coronavirus infections nationwide are in just five states — a situation that is putting pressure on the federal government to consider changing how it distributes vaccines by sending more doses to hot spots. Contest to make a better mask. Up to $500K to win. > **[The US government will pay you up to $500,000 to design a less annoying face...](https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/5/22368676/covid-19-government-better-mask-contest-500k-prize-cdc)** > > Someone might solve the foggy glasses problem for good. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1020 "2021-04-07T11:54:44Z")
I hope this is a good sign On the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus site, I see that the worldwide daily reported ne cases, after an ominous rise over the past couple of weeks, appears to be going down. I hope that’s for real, and not some reporting or statistical glitch. In most countries the daily new cases appears to be receding, at least for now. The dark cloud to this silver lining is that in some countries the new caseload is going sharply up – the already-mentioned India (which now leads the world in daily cases, as it had back in September), the Ukraine, Iran, the Philippines, and probably others not listed on their page. In the US, the rise in cases in Michigan looks as if it may have peaked, or at least paused, shy of setting a new record. Vermont has declined from its weekly-averaged peak of a few days ago. a few other states are rising, but not rapidly, and nowhere near their record levels ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1021 "2021-04-07T13:07:05Z")
> [@](#): > > **5 States Responsible For Nearly Half Of New COVID-19 Infections** > > Nearly half of new coronavirus infections nationwide are in just five states — a situation that is putting pressure on the federal government to consider changing how it distributes vaccines by sending more doses to hot spots. > > New York, Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania and New Jersey together reported 44% of the nation’s new COVID-19 infections, or nearly 197,500 new cases, in the latest available seven-day period, according to state health agency data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Total U.S. infections during the same week numbered more than 452,000. > **[5 States Responsible For Nearly Half Of New COVID-19 Infections](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/5-states-nearly-half-covid-19-infections_n_606ccc63c5b68ddf94b6023d)** > > New York, Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania and New Jersey together reported 44% of the nation’s new infections from the coronavirus. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1022 "2021-04-07T15:18:50Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > So we’re probably at least 20-40 out days until we start to see the vaccination effort running out of willing arms on a national scale. Locally it looks that’s already happening in some areas. 20-40 days to get **one** shot in arms. Since the majority of vaccinations in the US are the two shot variety, it will take closer to twice that time to reach 60-70%. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1023 "2021-04-07T15:43:25Z")
But the evidence suggests that a single shot confers pretty good (if potentially short-term) resistance. The first shot is the most important one. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1024 "2021-04-07T15:52:32Z")
don’t forget to add in the j&j one shot into the data. it is a bit more rare but is getting into arms. i know of one person who has that vaccination. she is in the school system. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1025 "2021-04-07T17:38:47Z")
The “at least one dose” includes one dose of J&J. The "fully vaccinated also includes one dose of J&J. the “enough for n people to be fully vaccinated” numbers that you sometimes see are (mRNA doses / 2 + J&J doses). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1026 "2021-04-07T20:50:41Z")
I guess this is no surprise. > **[Vaccine Refusal May Put Herd Immunity At Risk, Researchers Warn](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/07/984697573/vaccine-refusal-may-put-herd-immunity-at-risk-researchers-warn)** > > One in four Americans say they won't get a coronavirus vaccine. Researchers say it could keep the nation from reaching a critical tipping point. > Joyce Ann Kraner is eager for the pandemic to end and for life to get back to normal. Kraner, 49, wants to be able to hug her mother, who lives in a nursing home. > > But she says she has no plans to get the vaccine, even though it’s widely available in her community of Murfreesboro, Tenn. **“I feel like I’m healthy,”** she says. My bold. 🙄 > … > A recent [NPR/Marist poll](http://maristpoll.marist.edu/npr-marist-poll-the-biden-administration/#sthash.O0n8pQgh.dpbs) found that one in four Americans said they would refuse a coronavirus vaccine outright if offered. Another 5% are “undecided” about whether they would get the shot. > … > > The numbers who may refuse the vaccine remain potentially too high to contain a respiratory virus such as SARS-CoV-2, which requires a large segment of the population to be immune. Nobody knows exactly how large, but based on other diseases, researchers believe it is far above the [current 32%](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state) of the U.S. population that’s gotten at least one shot to date. > > “What most of us want is a safe return to something that looks more normal,” says [Samuel Scarpino](https://cos.northeastern.edu/people/samuel-scarpino/), who models the coronavirus outbreak at Northeastern University. “That to me means 80% to 85%, probably, vaccinated.” > … ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1027 "2021-04-07T21:24:42Z")
I think they’re idiots but if we have a safe and effective vaccine does it matter that much? How many compromised people can’t take any of the vaccines? ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1028 "2021-04-07T21:49:55Z")
I’m not sure I’ve got your meaning here. I hope I’m wrong but I think you’re saying why should we care because (mostly) only the idiots will be dying? Even if only the idiots get severely sick and die, that’s still a) a terrible tragedy, b) devastating to the functioning and economy of the country, c) potentially devastating to a huge number of innocent children and grandchildren, d) potentially devastating to people who need medical care, our health system in general, and the people who have to work in it. Etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1029 "2021-04-07T21:53:40Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think they’re idiots but if we have a safe and effective vaccine does it matter that much? As long as you’re willing to accept the risk of variants that the current vaccines can’t handle, I guess it doesn’t matter. For me the prospect of a population in which the virus continues to circulate and mutate is worrisome. Give me some sage words to bring my level of worry down. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1030 "2021-04-07T22:04:04Z")
> [@peccavi](#): > > As long as you’re willing to accept the risk of variants that the current vaccines can’t handle, I guess it doesn’t matter. For me the prospect of a population in which the virus continues to circulate and mutate is worrisome. Yeah, this is the problem even if you don’t care whether the “idiots” die. Every infection is another opportunity for a mutation that makes the current vaccines less effective. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=51)