# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428>\
**Category:** The Quarantine Zone\
**Tags:** covid-quarantine\
**Created:** [January 1, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428 "2021-01-01T08:03:30Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1694 "2021-07-12T23:13:20Z")

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> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> Vaccinated people sometimes get sick, too. Just less often than unvaccinated people.

I mean, some do, but hardly any. This from Saturday:

([CBS Saturday Morning - Full episodes, interviews, features - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/cbs-this-morning/saturday/))

July 10, 2021 / 12:49 PM / CBS News

> The Delta variant now accounts for more than half of the new [coronavirus](https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/coronavirus/) cases in the United States —52%. Almost all of the new cases — **99.7% —are among people who have not been vaccinated**.

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1695 "2021-07-13T01:26:05Z")

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> [@glowacks](#):
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> This sounds more like the death of someone who tested positive for Covid and had been vaccinated rather than a Covid death. I suppose that having a positive test for Covid wasn’t helping him any, but without more details showing that he had symptoms typical of Covid not already accounted for by his other issues, I’d tag it as just a coincidence. (Vaccinated people do test positive for Covid sometimes, right? They just tend to not get sick?)

Hard to say. All the details that have been made public are just what I said. They’re not saying much about it.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1696 "2021-07-13T05:46:35Z")

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188,084,379 total cases  
4,055,939 dead  
172,023,653 recovered

In the US:

34,766,404 total cases  
623,029 dead  
29,274,349 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> 187,647,215 total cases  
> 4,049,338 dead  
> 171,603,940 recovered
> 
> In the US:
> 
> 34,732,753 total cases  
> 622,845 dead  
> 29,244,103 recovered

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1697 "2021-07-13T12:01:32Z")

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Not sure where to put this one. It’s COVID related but political, too

> [@](#):
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> [Tennessee fires Director of Immunization Programs. “I’m afraid for my state.”](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/12/2039542/-Tennessee-fires-Director-of-Immunization-Programs-I-m-afraid-for-my-state)
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> On Monday, Dr. Michelle Fiscus, a pediatrician who has been in charge of vaccination programs for the state for the past two years, was fired from her position.
> 
> Why? Because of an informational memo she sent to her staff. She didn’t create the policy she described in the memo. But she paid the price for daring to inform her staff that such a policy existed, and in fact has existed for 34 years.
> 
> Tennessee has a “mature minor” policy when it comes to whether minors can get vaccinated without a parent’s consent or knowledge. This goes back to a decision by the TN Supreme Court 34 years ago, and means that a medical professional can make the decision whether a given minor is mature enough to make the decision for themselves without parental advisement.
> 
> Practically, this means that, say, a 13-year old could ask their family doctor for the vaccine, and the doctor could decide that the child is old enough and informed enough to make that decision for themselves without involving the parent in any way. And then give the child the vaccine.
> 
> Again, this is not a new thing under the sun, according to Fiscus, and she wrote the memo after getting guidance from the TN Department of Health’s general counsel. It was this policy that she outlined in her memo that got her fired. Because a staff member that received the memo threw a fit and posted the memo to social media, which of course then cause many more people to throw a fit and rage at their legislators, who then…well, Fiscus lost her job. Because I guess someone’s head had to roll for daring to mention a decades old policy that some people don’t like.

> **[Tennessee fires Director of Immunization Programs. "I'm afraid for my state."](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/12/2039542/-Tennessee-fires-Director-of-Immunization-Programs-I-m-afraid-for-my-state?utm_campaign=trending)**
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> On Monday, Dr. Michelle Fiscus, a pediatrician who has been in charge of vaccination programs for the state for the past two years, was fired from her position. Why? Because of an informational memo she sent to her staff. She didn’t create the...

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1698 "2021-07-13T12:03:25Z")

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> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#):
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> Maybe Arkansas local news can play up this story: -
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> [One-Third of COVID-19 Survivors Develop Brain Disorders](https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/brain-disorders-in-covid-survivors.html?cmp=OUTBRAIN-DSM-DESK-HEALTH-HEALTHRSS-SL-CPC_One-Third+of+COVID-19+Survivors+Develop+Brain+Disorders_001f1559664e5315f642f31813e75c9c46_CNN&dicbo=v1-a0b87978ad3ff3c64633956839d28e09-00b0d91fea41c4b1db6f9822c0399f54d7-mzqtgyrsgjswcljzhe2wgljugrrtsljyhfswmljwmi2ggnldhe3ggojtmi)

How can they tell?

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1699 "2021-07-14T04:32:37Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Aye; worldwide, both new cases and deaths are trending upwards.

\< sigh \>

> **[US COVID-19 cases rising again, doubling over three weeks](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-cases-rising-03150d6404004711b80e9bd6ff0d410d)**
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> New COVID-19 cases per day in the U.S. have doubled over the past three weeks, driven by the fast-spreading delta variant, lagging vaccination rates and Fourth of July gatherings.

> [@](#):
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> Confirmed infections climbed to an average of about 23,600 a day on Monday, up from 11,300 on June 23, according to Johns Hopkins University data. And all but two states — Maine and South Dakota — reported that case numbers have gone up over the past two weeks.

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1700 "2021-07-14T04:37:02Z")

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188,616,093 total cases  
4,065,804 dead  
172,435,944 recovered

In the US:

34,807,813 total cases  
623,435 dead  
29,304,451 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> 188,084,379 total cases  
> 4,055,939 dead  
> 172,023,653 recovered
> 
> In the US:
> 
> 34,766,404 total cases  
> 623,029 dead  
> 29,274,349 recovered

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**Author:** ![tinytantan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@tinytantan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tinytantan)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1701 "2021-07-14T07:28:15Z")

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Kinda feel bad for the director who just read the guidelines. The one who posted on social media must find out first if the memo was really created by their director before posting…

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1702 "2021-07-14T15:30:11Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> “well, Fiscus lost her job. Because I guess someone’s head had to roll for daring to mention a decades old policy that some people don’t like.”

Quoted part is from the article that CalMeacham linked to.

It’s also a policy that was affirmed by the state supreme court. It’s not just some idea that was thrown out there.

What’s next? Firing someone for daring to say the earth revolves around the sun?

The USA is on a slow spiral down the drain into idiocy.

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1703 "2021-07-14T21:12:40Z")

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Since the majority of adults in Israel are fully vaccinated, infections are now very skewed toward teenagers. A few weeks ago, only ~ 30% of teenagers were vaccinated. Vaccination of teenagers has increased dramatically to stave off infections of the young. The good news is that infections in adults have been holding off fairly well since the Delta mutant first showed up way back in April. Deaths and hospitalizations remain extremely low because of vaccination and infections skewing young.

As I’ve stated in other threads, I predict that parts of the US will likely look like Israel right now. These would be regions that have high vaccination rates and those with moderate rates plus a high % of prior infection. The regions with low vaccination rates that have avoided outbreaks in the past will be hit hard in the next month. By fall, surges will have largely dissipated. This is all assuming that another variant is able to cause even more trouble.

> **[Infographic: Covid-19 Burden Now Heaviest On Israel's Youth](https://www.statista.com/chart/25295/israeli-covid-19-cases-by-age-group/)**
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> This chart shows the share of Israeli Covid-19 cases by age group in the month up to July 05, 2021.

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1704 "2021-07-14T22:02:17Z")

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Once it gets past the borders, that new variant is off to the races.

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1705 "2021-07-14T22:06:35Z")

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A good read whose default response is pointing to COVID’s relatively low fatality rate. Not nearly enough is said about how the virus disables and for how long.

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**Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1706 "2021-07-14T23:44:48Z")

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> **[All COVID patients in LA County-run hospitals are unvaccinated, official says](https://abc7.com/unvaccinated-covid19-los-angeles-county-hospitalizations/10887037/)**
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> As the Delta variant continues its rapid spread in Los Angeles County, Dr. Christina Ghaly says unvaccinated people now account for all COVID-19 hospitalizations at county-run hospitals.

The county is seeing 1000+ new cases a day, but it looks like cases requiring hospitalization are in those who are unvaccinated.

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1707 "2021-07-15T03:32:47Z")

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The Delta variant now accounts for 40% of all new cases in Hawaii.

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1708 "2021-07-15T04:11:51Z")

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189,172,969 total cases  
4,074,508 dead  
172,802,388 recovered

In the US:

34,848,068 total cases  
623,838 dead  
29,324,300 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> 188,616,093 total cases  
> 4,065,804 dead  
> 172,435,944 recovered
> 
> In the US:
> 
> 34,807,813 total cases  
> 623,435 dead  
> 29,304,451 recovered

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1709 "2021-07-15T08:22:01Z")

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Stupid Australia only has 13% of the population fully vaccinated. And we now have two more full lockdowns in NSW and Vic as cases have taken off again. Way to go Aus, oh, and get fucked Scott Morrison.

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1710 "2021-07-15T12:54:38Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> Not sure where to put this one. It’s COVID related but political, too
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > [Tennessee fires Director of Immunization Programs. “I’m afraid for my state.”](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/7/12/2039542/-Tennessee-fires-Director-of-Immunization-Programs-I-m-afraid-for-my-state)
> > 
> > > On Monday, Dr. Michelle Fiscus, a pediatrician who has been in charge of vaccination programs for the state for the past two years, was fired from her position…

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tennessee-s-former-vaccine-manager-said-she-was-sent-a-dog-muzzle-before-she-was-fired/ar-AAMbtPD?rt=1&ocid=Win10NewsApp&referrerID=InAppShare](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tennessee-s-former-vaccine-manager-said-she-was-sent-a-dog-muzzle-before-she-was-fired/ar-AAMbtPD?rt=1&ocid=Win10NewsApp&referrerID=InAppShare)

Classy. 😠

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1711 "2021-07-15T17:26:13Z")

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> The researchers examined 12 antibodies that Vir Biotechnology, a company based in San Francisco, California, that was involved in the study, isolated from people who had been infected with either SARS-CoV-2 or its close relative SARS-CoV.

> One antibody, S2H97, stood out for its capacity to adhere to the binding domains of all the sarbecoviruses that the researchers tested. S2H97, which the authors dub a pan-sarbecovirus antibody, was able to prevent a range of SARS-CoV-2 variants and other sarbecoviruses from spreading among cells growing in the laboratory.
> 
> it targets a previously unseen and well-hidden region on the binding domain — a section that is revealed only when the domain pops up to bind to a cell’s receptor…that molecules targeting this binding-domain region could generate protection against multiple viruses, and might one day be used in pan-sarbecovirus vaccines.

> The team also found that antibodies that could disable a wide variety of viruses targeted sections of the binding domain that tended not to change as the virus evolved.

# This ‘super antibody’ for COVID fights off multiple coronaviruses

[https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01917-9](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01917-9)

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1712 "2021-07-15T22:22:51Z")

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If you think it’s just about how many die, think again. A lot of people who contract COVID end up having debilitating symptoms are unable to return to their usual activities, including work. COVID isn’t just a respiratory disease; it is a full-on assault on the human body.

> **[Long Covid Has Over 200 Symptoms And Leaves 1 In 5 Unable To Work, Study Finds](https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/15/long-covid-has-over-200-symptoms-and-leaves-1-in-5-unable-to-work-study-finds/?sh=6e42b7f75eb2)**
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> Developing new allergies, suicidality and seizures were flagged as symptoms of long Covid not commonly discussed alongside the more common “Covid toes,” fatigue and sore throat.

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**Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1713 "2021-07-15T23:56:53Z")

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Los Angeles is again mandating masks:

> **[With virus cases rising, mask mandate back on in Los Angeles](https://apnews.com/article/health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-3b893ce7a9dbbfaeb4eb6161edebf4e6)**
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> Los Angeles County will again require masks indoors even when people are vaccinated. Also Thursday, the University of California system announced that it will require coronavirus vaccinations for students, faculty and staff to return to campuses.

> [@](#):
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> Dr. Muntu Davis said at a virtual press conference that a public health order requiring masks indoors will go into effect Saturday.
> 
> “This is an all-hands-on-deck moment,” he said.
> 
> Davis didn’t fully detail what he said would be some exceptions but said for example, people could still go out to eat and take off their masks only while eating and drinking.
> 
> The county has been recording more than 1,000 new cases each day for a week, and there is now “substantial community transmission,” Davis said.

And because it is mentioned in this story and saves me having to post another link:

> [@](#):
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> Meanwhile, in Northern California, at least 59 residents at a homeless shelter have tested positive for the virus, half of whom were vaccinated, health officials said.
> 
> Of those infected at the shelter in Santa Rosa, 28 were fully vaccinated, Dr. Sundari Mase, Sonoma County’s health officer, said Wednesday. Officials were reviewing an additional 26 possible positive cases.
> 
> Of the 59 people with confirmed infections at Samuel L. Jones Hall, nine were hospitalized, including six who were fully vaccinated and had “multiple, significant” underlying health conditions, including diabetes and pulmonary disease, health officials said. Four have since been discharged, and five remain hospitalized.
> 
> Officials said that fewer than half of the 153 residents had received at least partial vaccination and they do not know whether the outbreak started with a vaccinated or unvaccinated resident.
> 
> “We know congregate settings are at much higher risk,” Mase said. “We also know there is a very high proportion of unvaccinated individuals that were in this setting.”
> 
> Most of the 69 vaccinated residents had received the single-shot Johnson & Johnson dose but Mase said it was hard to determine whether that was a factor in the outbreak.

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