# Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 1, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428 "2021-01-01T08:03:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1894 "2021-07-28T15:59:22Z")
Are you suggesting that the third dose doesn’t provide lasting protection against the Delta variant? What data led you to that conclusion? And what do you propose should be the focus? ---
**Author:** ![Chatterbox1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/57b2e6/32.png) [@Chatterbox1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chatterbox1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1895 "2021-07-28T16:04:52Z")
I’m suggesting this big increase in antibodies will be shortlived, just like what is likely happening after the second booster shot. That increase in antibodies will obviously help protect against Delta stronger in the short term. What do you call “lasting protection”? Most medical people commenting I’ve seen think two shots gives strong lasting protection against Delta causing severe illness. But the real issue is that in the US, Delta is surging amongst the unvaccinated, not the people with two shots. So I can’t see it being a huge public health benefit to try and get the fully vaccinated people a third shot. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1896 "2021-07-28T16:12:52Z")
I’m looking for the data on which you based your personal conclusions. If you’ve got some specific data you’ll share, great. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1897 "2021-07-28T16:25:21Z")
So far it seems to be a lay-person’s opinion, based on a very superficial knowledge of the science behind immunology. I read this thread to get breaking news, not opinions from non-experts. ---
**Author:** ![Chatterbox1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/57b2e6/32.png) [@Chatterbox1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chatterbox1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1898 "2021-07-28T16:28:54Z")
There is no data on long term protection from a third dose. My personal opinion is there’s no reason to assume a third dose gives stronger long term immunity. Antibody levels fade after exposure, this is just a fact of the immune system. What exactly are you expecting me to back up with data? I guess I need you to answer, “what do you mean by lasting protection?” if you want a better answer out of me. And it should probably be in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1899 "2021-07-28T16:33:11Z")
Moderating: Yes, it should. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1900 "2021-07-28T16:47:33Z")
Same here. For that reason, I don’t feel the need to start a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1901 "2021-07-28T18:02:01Z")
I’ve read this article, and I get the feeling that the headline exaggerates a bit from the message the CDC intended, but I’m not 100% sure. > **[CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be...](https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinated-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/)** > > The CDC reversed course Monday, citing new data, and said it now recommends indoor masks for the vaccinated in all areas of the country where COVID infections are surging. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1902 "2021-07-28T18:48:40Z")
Personal anecdote: a fully vaxxed friend (Pfizer) just tested positive, and his only indoor exposure was eating at a restaurant in a highly-vaccinated city. So far it’s like a mild cold so the vaccine is doing its most important job, but it still shows the risks of going mask-free even if you and most nearby people are vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1903 "2021-07-28T20:01:44Z")
This is good— surprising, but good. > **[Mitch McConnell Plans To Air Pro-Vaccine Ads On Kentucky Radio Stations](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-covid-vaccines-ad_n_61016546e4b0f9b5a22ebf2f)** > > The 60-second spot will be paid for by the Republican senator's reelection campaign and will draw on his experience surviving polio as a child. > … > The 60-second spot will be paid for by McConnell’s reelection campaign and will draw on his experience surviving polio as a child, according to a source familiar with the ad. The senator’s plans were first reported by [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mcconnell-strives-counter-bad-advice-boost-us-republican-vaccination-rate-2021-07-28/). > > “Every American should take advantage of this miracle, and get vaccinated,” McConnell says in the ad, according to a script obtained by HuffPost. “It’s the only way we’re going to defeat COVID. This is not complicated. 97% of people hospitalized for COVID are not vaccinated.” > > “If you haven’t been vaccinated, do the right thing for you ― for your family ― and get vaccinated right now,” the senator continues. > … ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1904 "2021-07-28T20:51:56Z")
Dr. Fauci was on “All In with Chris Hayes” last night, and talked a little about this. Apparently, nasopharyngeal viral loads in breakthrough infections are similar to those who haven’t been vaccinated; however, upper respiratory viral loads are much lower in the breakthrough infections. Thus, the breakthrough infections are less severe and not as life threatening - to the point that the breakthrough-infected may not know they’re quite contagious. I need to poke around for more information about this. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1905 "2021-07-29T04:13:17Z")
196,707,763 total cases 4,203,682 dead 178,113,916 recovered In the US: 35,487,490 total cases 628,098 dead 29,603,958 recovered Yesterday’s numbers for comparison: > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 195,991,320 total cases > 4,193,155 dead > 177,678,249 recovered > > In the US: > > 35,353,923 total cases > 627,351 dead > 29,571,434 recovered In early June 2021, the number of new cases per day worldwide dropped below 400,000 and stayed there for about 30 days. Then the numbers began to creep upward and now that pace is accelerating: two weeks ago the numbers crept upwards of 500,000 per day, although there was some fluctuation. Two days ago there were 466,000 new cases worldwide. Yesterday there were 595,000 new cases. Today, there were 649,000 new cases. The US numbers show a similar increase: two days ago there were 52,050 new cases in the US. Yesterday there were 77,825 new cases and today there were 84,534 new cases in the US. ——— Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Keep your distance. Stay safe. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1906 "2021-07-29T09:49:31Z")
> **[Breakthrough COVID-19 infections after vaccination can lead to long-haul...](https://news.yahoo.com/breakthrough-covid-infections-vaccination-lead-210016728.html)** > > The findings raise questions about the coronavirus vaccines' protection and suggest that even vaccinated people could experience long-term symptoms. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1907 "2021-07-29T12:00:30Z")
Sure, but this evidence is talking about 7 people. If you look at the study, they took data on 1497 vaccinated healthcare workers, and 39 of those people later tested positive. And 19% of them had symptoms 6 weeks later. 19% of 39 people is 7.41 people. ---
**Author:** ![Trom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Trom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trom)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1908 "2021-07-29T13:41:01Z")
> **[Can you get long-haul Covid if you're fully vaccinated? Here's what doctors say](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/can-vaccinated-people-get-long-covid-doctors-say-risk-very-n1273970)** > > It is theoretically possible for a fully vaccinated person to get long Covid. But doctors contend that it doesn't appear to be a significant risk. > Dr. Michele Longo, an assistant professor of neurology at Tulane University in New Orleans who works with [long-haul patients](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-long-haulers-report-nearly-100-symptoms-more-100-n1235217), said she has not seen such patients following a breakthrough infection. Neither has Dr. Maureen Lyons, medical director of the [Care and Recovery from Covid-19 Clinic](https://completecare.wustl.edu/patient-information/care-and-recovery-after-covid-19/) at Washington University in St. Louis. > > Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, a clinical epidemiologist, also at Washington University, is studying the effects of Covid-19 vaccination on the risk of long Covid-19. His research, which is not yet finished, looks at information on more than 5 million veterans within a Department of Veterans Affairs [database](https://www.virec.research.va.gov/), including 200,000 who were diagnosed with Covid-19. > “Of the people who get vaccinated and end up with a breakthrough infection, their risk of coming back to the clinic with some long Covid manifestation is very, very small,” Al-Aly said. COVID news ping pong! ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1909 "2021-07-29T15:16:09Z")
> **[They Waited, They Worried, They Stalled. This Week, They Got the Shot....](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/us/covid-vaccine-hesitant.html)** > > The U.S. vaccine rollout has plateaued and the course of the coronavirus pandemic in this country may depend on how many people are ultimately swayed to get vaccinated. Possibly behind a paywall. Some of the points from the article: - “These are the Americans who are being vaccinated at this moment in the pandemic: the reluctant, the anxious, the procrastinating.” - “… they occupy a middle ground: For months, they have been unwilling to receive a coronavirus vaccine, until something or someone — a persistent family member, a work requirement, a growing sense that the shot was safe — convinced them otherwise.” - “Their answers [why they are getting the vaccine] suggest that the mandates or greater restrictions on the unvaccinated that are increasingly a matter of debate by employers and government officials could make a significant difference.” - ‘“Some people come in and they’re still hesitant,” she said. “We have to fight for every one of them.”’ ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1910 "2021-07-29T16:54:11Z")
There are people now getting vaccinated solely so that they can attend Lollapalooza in Chicago, which starts today. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1911 "2021-07-29T16:57:32Z")
Here’s what I wonder about stories like this: do they actually tell us anything we can’t already guess? I mean, it’s great for confirmation, so we can add to our knowledge, but it never seemed to me like, in this case, it was _absolutely impossible_ for breakthrough cases to go long or what have you. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1912 "2021-07-29T23:44:35Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I got the Moderna vaccine (no choice and was glad to get either). Is it likely a third dose of Moderna would offer the same protection? Pfizer and Moderna use very similar technology. So far, at least, they have similar levels of effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![Jebbilene](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jebbilene/32/3414_2.png) [@Jebbilene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jebbilene)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428/1913 "2021-07-29T23:50:05Z")
The army has been called out to enforce the lockdown in Sydney. Our case numbers are still peanuts by world standards, but growing every day (over 200/day). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-covid-19-2019-ncov-thread-2021-breaking-news/929428.md?page=95)