# Coronavirus general discussion and chit-chat **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [August 12, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903 "2020-08-12T17:29:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/524 "2021-08-20T17:45:41Z")
Wow, what a garbage article. “150 nurses and other workers”. So that’s what - 5 nurses and 145 cafeteria workers, garbage collectors and other easily replaceable positions? 0.6% of the staff. Versus 99.4% who were, or agreed to be vaccinated. I suspect, if this hospital is near a “breaking point”, it’s due to the covid cases from unvacinated idiots who are filing the beds. Utter, utter garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/525 "2021-08-20T18:06:14Z")
The husband of an ER doctor in a Minneapolis hospital posted that the last 2 ICU beds at the hospital had been filled by patients from Florida and Oklahoma. He also posted a link to this story, which describes just how hard it is to find a bed anywhere. > **[A Kansas Doctor Tells The Story Of Sending Her Critically Ill COVID Patient...](https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-08-18/a-kansas-doctor-tells-the-story-of-sending-her-critically-ill-covid-patient-570-miles-away)** > > With the coronavirus surging again, smaller hospitals in Kansas can't count on the life-saving help of bigger, nearby facilities. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/526 "2021-08-20T18:20:15Z")
I’m afraid that in certain areas where there are critical shortages of ICU beds, there is going to have to be serious triage going on. And it should be (IMO) based not only on medical need, but also on whether or not it is for a Covid patient who has chosen not to immunize, even though they had the opportunity. These cases should be triaged below the cases of heart attack, stroke, accidents, etc. Right at the bottom of the list. Only if there are any ICU beds available we could give them to the unvaccinated Covid cases. If ICU beds run out, then the unvaccinated can be made as comfortable as possible with palliative end of life care. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/527 "2021-08-20T23:15:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Wow, what a garbage article. “150 nurses and other workers”. So that’s what - 5 nurses and 145 cafeteria workers, garbage collectors and other easily replaceable positions? You think the article is garbage? Read the comments. Devil take the hindmost. I don’t care any more what happens to them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/528 "2021-08-21T01:56:57Z")
Read the comments? No thanks. I will offer them thoughts and prayers, and hope they get a really nice refrigerated truck to stay in. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/529 "2021-08-21T21:08:31Z")
We all know that unvaccinated people make it possible for the virus to mutate. If people who are fully vaccinated can contract COVID (but get a milder case) and also shed the virus, why can’t the virus mutate via those of us who are vaccinated? Or can it? ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/530 "2021-08-21T22:12:57Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Or can it? It can. In fact, some people consider that the worst possible case is epidemic COVID with partial vaccination. Vaccinated people catching COVID from the unvaccinated reservoir, selecting for vaccine-resistant COVID. The best possible case is that vaccination eliminates endemic COVID. No COVID, no mutation. Reasonable expectation: mutation occurs in vaccinated and re-infected people, but since they get well so fast, not much chance for mutation, and since they spread so little, not much COVID around for mutation. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/531 "2021-08-22T03:20:55Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Or can it? **Melbourne** is right on. Here’s a way to look at it. While the virus does mutate in anyone\*\* of any vaccination status, in _ **unvaccinated** _ people the virus gets more flips of the card. Many more flips. Imagine that in vaccinated people, the virus deals poker hands and has **50** chances to deal a royal flush before antibodies subdue it. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t come up with a variant of note. On the other hand, in unvaccinated people, the virus has **500,000** chances to deal a royal flush. Still not a certainty, but much better odds that pay off for the virus over large numbers of unvaccinated people. The bolded numbers are just for the sake of an example – I don’t think we know the exact figures. I think we know they’re quite far apart, though. \*\* _it mutates a heck of a lot – it’s just that 99.9999% of the mutations don’t do anything._ ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/532 "2021-08-22T03:26:36Z")
Thank you, @Melbourne and @bordelond, for explaining so clearly and thoroughly. I’m wiser thanks to you two. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/533 "2021-08-22T04:55:29Z")
Not to mention that us voluntarily vaccinated folks tend to be more cautious and considerate. When I thought I had a breakthrough delta case, I started quarantining and I demanded that hubs did as well. Left to his own devices, he never would have stayed home until he tested clean. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/534 "2021-08-22T23:42:42Z")
Here, or in Covidiot Stories? Here, I guess. > **[An Alabama man who called himself the 'vaccine police' told pharmacists at a...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-man-called-himself-vaccine-200943221.html)** > > "If they give one more vaccine after today, after being put on notice, then they can be hung up, and they can be executed," Christopher Key said in a video. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/535 "2021-08-22T23:51:26Z")
Geez Louise. I mentioned in another thread that when my cell phone was in the shop last week the repair guy told me he was not vaccinated and didn’t plan to be because “people have died from the vaccine!” I guess he had come across the crap in the story above that @Johnny_L.A quoted: > … > He continued: “We’re going to let them know that 45,000 people within three days of receiving the vaccine dropped dead. And if they give one more vaccine after today, after being put on notice, then they can be hung up, and they can be executed.” > … 🤦🏽‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/536 "2021-08-23T00:35:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Geez Louise. I mentioned in another thread that when my cell phone was in the shop last week the repair guy told me he was not vaccinated and didn’t plan to be because “people have died from the vaccine!” Well, he’s right. Out of 187.2 million people vaccinated in the U.S., [three people have died](https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/). ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/537 "2021-08-23T00:46:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Out of 187.2 million people vaccinated in the U.S., [three people have died](https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/). I guess you aren’t using AZ? 3 people have died from vaccination in Australia, a much smaller country, and the risk is reported as ~94 per 187.2 million. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/538 "2021-08-23T00:51:00Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > I guess you aren’t using AZ? Astrazeneca? I don’t think they bothered even approving it for emergency use in the United States since we’re mostly using Pfizer, Moderna and J & J. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/539 "2021-08-23T02:53:52Z")
I haven’t read the entire thread so I apologize if this has been asked & answered. We’ve been hearing a lot lately about breakthrough cases, vaccinated people getting Covid. But I haven’t seen anything about people (vaccinated or not) getting Covid a second time. I remember a few cases early in the pandemic, but nothing since. Are people who had Covid once not getting it again, even with Delta so prevalent, or is this just not being tracked? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/540 "2021-08-23T03:01:05Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Are people who had Covid once not getting it again, even with Delta so prevalent, or is this just not being tracked? It’s not making news like it used to, is all. I know of a few people who have gotten COVID twice. From the sports world, someone well-known to NFL fans has gotten it twice: Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson. New York Yankees infielder Gleyber Torres has also contracted COVID twice. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/541 "2021-08-23T03:32:30Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > We’ve been hearing a lot lately about breakthrough cases, vaccinated people getting Covid. But I haven’t seen anything about people (vaccinated or not) getting Covid a second time. Seems like reinfection is more common than it used to be. According to [this](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm#T1_down) CDC study out of Kentucky, Reinfections make up 33% of infections in the group they selected. Out of those reinfections, 80% were unvaccinated or partially-vaccinated. Of those only infected once, 66% were unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination protects against infection. As expected, vaccination and previous infection is better protection. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/542 "2021-08-23T04:30:26Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > But I haven’t seen anything about people (vaccinated or not) getting Covid a second time. My idiot husband recovered from COVID and caught Delta about 6 weeks later. He’s vaccinated now, but not because he’s tired of getting sick, but because he had the choice between getting jabbed and paying 2800 for ANOTHER Maine Coon kitten. Our last COVID Coon was only 2600, but the shots are free. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903/543 "2021-08-23T11:29:58Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > Obviously, vaccination protects against infection. As expected, vaccination and previous infection is better protection. Thanks! That study shows what you’d expect, but I was hoping previous infection offered better protection than it does – that would have been a lot more hopeful for children. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-general-discussion-and-chit-chat/917903.md?page=28)