Coronavirus general discussion and chit-chat

I’m moving you off my fretting-in-the-night list. :slightly_smiling_face: But do keep us posted on the family’s progress toward full recovery.

Good. Yes, we continue to get better.

I’m very glad.

This is just a guess: They got the initial shots and then found that their tribe is rejecting vaccination altogether. They can’t undo the jabs they’ve already gotten, but they can refuse any more.

I read some Fox News associated stuff based on a search for booster and Fox News. The piece I read, which I won’t link to, said vaccines should be a personal choice, but apparently offer perfect protection – vaccinated people are at zero risk from unvaxxed people according to this piece. And according to that piece, Biden and the White House are foisting unnecessary boosters on the public that are not supported by science, which was why FDA advisory panel people resigned and the FDA commissioner had to overrule the committee.

So, mostly general counterfactual anti-other-side stuff, even if it contradicts previous positions, with a big boost from how poorly the booster announcement was handled early in the process.

Gorsuch, Alito and Thomas dissented. I do not know what is wrong with them.

I don’t think I can say in this forum.

Wow, they’re really saying this? I didn’t make it through the whole 7 hours of the advisory panel’s Zoom meeting, but I saw enough of it to know none of them were about to resign. Holy frick. Next they’re going to say that Fauci had himself cloned and was playing the parts of every one of the dozens on the advisory panel.

Sorry. FDA vaccine experts, not advisory panel members – my bad.

It was built on little bits of true things.

OK, that makes so much more sense–I mean, in an anti-vaxx way.

Even without an anti-vax point of view, some people might be avoiding the booster because they had a bad day (immune system reaction) after the first round of doses and don’t wish to repeat the experience. Look - I’m not saying its logical - but it is reasonable in terms of how people think.

I’m lucky. I had a sore arm after the first (J&J) shot. I’m having a REALLY sore arm after the (Moderna) booster. Not too bad for the protection it offers.

One of my coworkers is like this. He had 24 hours of misery after each shot of Moderna, and he’s already said he’s had enough. I also have a distant cousin who only had the first shot and won’t get the second because of their reaction to the first.

I still don’t understand people who don’t want to get fully vaccinated. I’m even going to go get a flu vaccination to help make sure I stay healthy this winter. This isa in addition to wearing a mask and avoiding children,who are not required to wear masks, nor are they able to get vaccinated.

I think it’s perfectly logical. It may not be wise, but there’s nothing irrational about wanting to avoid pain or sickness. Is it worth trading a certainty of a little pain and sickness for a lower risk of a lot of pain and sickness? I think so. But it’s not crazy to make another choice.

Plus, initial messaging around the vaccine was that it offered nearly perfect protection. No more masks, gather at will, etc. Delta and waning immunity changed that, but some people have a problem accepting that something like that can change in response to changing conditions and understanding of the facts. So they still want to believe they are nearly perfectly protected by being vaccinated, so why choose to have a reaction to a vaccine vs a chance, that is impossibly remote in their minds, of getting what they still picture as an asymptomatic or very minor infection that will be no big deal?

And they still are pretty well protected, from a public health perspective. It’s just that they are not protected in the 95% range like they started out. This is part of why there’s been controversy about the boosters in public health circles. If we’d started out with a vaccine that was as effective as the immunity most have at 6 months, we’d have been happy to get it. So, it’s still an effective vaccine,. It’s just way less effective than when you first get it. So it’s a bit of a tough message to convey.

But I do have to say that I don’t understand someone getting the vaccine and then totally ruling out getting a booster.

Okay, probably being paranoid, but: I had a paper mask in my car that I’d used before, but not for several days, probably over a week. I decided to wear it again, but only realized after I put it on that I forgot which side was out when I first wore it.

I know surface transmission is unlikely, but that’s by touch and not by breath, but again, I hadn’t used it in a while. I’m being paranoid, right?

Are you fully vaccinated? If so, yes you’re being paranoid. Your odds of getting a breakthrough case at all are pretty small, and probably infinitesimal bordering on completely impossible when it comes to a mask that’s been sitting airing out for days.

Unless a covid patient coughed straight on that mask, you’re good.

Couldn’t you tell from the way the nose wire was bent?

Covid dies in dry paper in a few days. So do most other bugs. I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

Do your paper masks not have a colored outside and a white inside?

It’s been seven months since my second shot. I suppose I could get a third one now; but I’m thinking I may wait a month.